185gr JHP in 45ACP-1000fps impossible

[stavey]

Ramshot Silhouette
I've pushed 185 xtp and 185 jhp zero's to 1100+
Super fast but pressure is safe. Definately snappy but safe. I have shot into ballistic gel with my xtp's . They do just as well at around 900 fps and feel like I'm shooting a 9mm using wst powder . Not to mention prints like .70 5 shot groups at 25 yards. Point being don't get to hung up on velocity. Now if we're loading 1000 yard rifle rounds. Thats different

 

[oysterer]

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A fast powder such as bullseye is like it says burning fast but also building too much peak pressure when overloaded. HS-6 will burn longer thereby aiding to more accelerations as the bullet moves down the barrel. 2400 will do so even longer making for magnum type speeds.

Don't really know what good this is. There will be undue strain on the poor 45 acp gun that is not meant for this type thing. There will be HS-6 loads in the books but likely not 2400.

I'd get a 40mm, 10mm or desert eagle if the objective of the pursuit is to create big booms.

 

[BE Mike]

A fast powder such as bullseye is like it says burning fast but also building too much peak pressure when overloaded. HS-6 will burn longer thereby aiding to more accelerations as the bullet moves down the barrel. 2400 will do so even longer making for magnum type speeds.

Don't really know what good this is. There will be undue strain on the poor 45 acp gun that is not meant for this type thing. There will be HS-6 loads in the books but likely not 2400.

I'd get a 40mm, 10mm or desert eagle if the objective of the pursuit is to create big booms.

I was thinking 10mm too! I have a S&W 629 for when I want to steadily shoot a big heavy bullet regularly over 1,000 fps. The big plus would be giving me a good excuse to buy a new 10mm pistol!

 

[S&WsRsweet]

I must agree with stavey ,sometimes we get caught up trying to squeeze a little more speed and end up killing accuracy and shortening the working life of a fine firearm that said I also concur with Ramshot Silhouette as it is also very useful in 38/357/44 calibers it is a good all around handgun powder.

 

[hdwhit]

Charlie1 wrote:
I was optimistic so I loaded 5 rounds each at 4.8grs, 5.0grs and 5.2 grs then went yesterday again and over a chronograph the results were disappointing. 4.8grs=786fps, 5.0grs=800fps and 5.2grs=816.

First, what published load data are you using?

Second, look at the incremental increase you are getting as you increase powder charges; they are declining. Increasing powder charge and higher velocity DO NOT have a linear relationship; you will eventually reach a point where you increase powder charge and get no increase in velocity.

Heck it would seem in order to get anywhere near 950-1000fps I'd have to be running around 7grs of bullseye and IMO that would be unsafe.

Yes, 7.0 grains of Bullseye would be well beyond maximum in every published source I have looked at. Pretty much everyone reaches maximum around 6.5 to 6.6 grains with velocities between 900 and 950 fps.

Why are you chasing 1000 fps?

Is it simply the "magic" of a four digit number?

What are you going to do with a 185 grain JHP at 1000 fps you couldn't do at 900?

Question: Is bullseye not a wise choice for pushing higher velocities or am I doing something wrong...

What you are doing "wrong" is using a fast burning powder to chase high velocities for no apparent reason.

Consult a reloading manual or the power maker's on-line data to see what loads they recommend that will get you to the 1000 fps velocity you seek.

Any recommendations on a powder/s that would push a 185gr JHP into the 950's fps ?

Yes, per Hornady #9, try PowerPistol, Longshot or HS-6

 

[hdwhit]

JJEH wrote:
First off, I'm not a re-loader. I just can't see myself producing a better product than Buffalo Bore.

I'm sure Buffalo Bore appreciates the free advertisement.

But, since you don't reload, you have no idea what reloaders are capable of doing, so I fail to see where you have any basis in reality for reaching the conclusion that handloaders couldn't "do better" (whatever that means - velocity?, - accuracy?, etc?) than your favorite vendor.

With that being said, I don't know what Buffalo Bore uses but their products 45-185 and 45-185LF are pushing 1,100+ fps.

Out of what gun?

Out of what barrel length?

There are a number of canister powders that will let the reloader get into the 1100 fps neighborhood. What is relevant to the OP's questions is that Bullseye isn't one of them.

 

[hdwhit]

Model520fan wrote:
Where did Charlie get the idea that Bullseye was supposed to produce 1000fps with a 185gr bullet?

That's the question.

The OP cites to no published source for the loads he is using. Had he consulted published data, he would have seen that everyone I could find reached maximum well before 1000 fps.

What we need to be doing on this forum is keying in on clues like that which suggest the poster is not following proper loading procedure and providing guidance back to published guidelines and proper procedure.

 

[Rule3]

How many times must the same thing be posted over and over?

 

[IAM Rand]

I think Charlie is chasing a white rabbit. It appears from his posts that he is hell bent on using Bullseye. I have seen numerous posts telling him that he is using the wrong powder but, has not address that and just wants to cram more powder into the case.

I think a quote from Forest Gump might be good here.

 

[Bill Raby]

Trade in your gun for something in 10MM. Problem solved.

 

[gwpercle]

Lyman's Reloading Handbook 46th Edition , shows a maximum load 7.8 grains of Unique with a 185 grain JHP for 985 fps. That is the highest velocity achieved with the 8 different powders data is given for.

When working up a hot load for this bullet I stopped at 7.5 grains of Unique...plenty hot enough for me and very accurate. No chronograph so I'm not sure of the exact fps, but this was hot enough for me .

Bullseye is not the powder for maximum loads, too fast burning. Something in the Unique burn range will work better.
Gary

 

[fredj338]

Trade in your gun for something in 10MM. Problem solved.

Not If he loads the 10mm with BE??

 

[fredj338]

I can even just get to 1000fps with a 185 over near max charge of WST, a faster powder than what really works best, but you can get there.

 

[dave201]

Go For It

If I felt the need to push the 45
This is where I would go
But the need is not there
I have the 38 Super Comp and love it
Course one has to have a firearm designed for 29000 CPU
But I figure someone mad hatter of a reloader might stuff something in a case and pull trigger, cause more has to be better
Katie Bar The Door
I love this forum
This topic has really taken off
BBTI - Ballistics by the Inch :: .45 Super Results

 

[gen3guy]

9.7. Gr. of AA #5 behind the Hornaday 185 XTP gets me 1018 FPS with my 5" 1911.

 

[federali]

Magtech Gold

I have some 185 grain Magtech Gold ammo that clocked 1144 FPS through a 5" Model 11. Don't know what they put in it.

 

[rwsmith]

Ammo manufacturers....

I am not a reloaded, but I always see factory 185 grain - 45's at 1,000 fps regularly when looking for ammo. I can't think getting your 1,000 fps will be a problem.
I don't think you said what the pistol and barrel length was??
If it's 3" barrel, I don't think you will meet your objective, but a 5" + barrel will.

Manufacturer's generally exaggerate their claims. Something they do with revolvers is chrono them out of a '10" test barrel'. which has no gap and a barrel length longer than most revolvers. The only way to find out how it acts in your gun is to chrono it.

 

[fredj338]

Lyman's Reloading Handbook 46th Edition , shows a maximum load 7.8 grains of Unique with a 185 grain JHP for 985 fps. That is the highest velocity achieved with the 8 different powders data is given for.

When working up a hot load for this bullet I stopped at 7.5 grains of Unique...plenty hot enough for me and very accurate. No chronograph so I'm not sure of the exact fps, but this was hot enough for me .

Bullseye is not the powder for maximum loads, too fast burning. Something in the Unique burn range will work better.
Gary

Now go to Speer #14, almost all their handgun loads are hotter than Lyman.

 

[Vortec MAX]

If you are after velocity, use Power Pistol. I tested two loads that pushed a 200 grain copper plated SWC to 1,000 fps or over in a 4.4" barrel. Both are within standard loading data limits and are not considered +P. If I can do it with a 200 grain pill, it should be really easy with a 185 grain.

Mike

 

[Charlie 1]

Maybe I'm missing something here. Where did Charlie get the idea that Bullseye was supposed to produce 1000fps with a 185gr bullet? It is not. Bullseye is used for two things: target loads, and blowing up guns. Take your pick.

Charlie: Look in your loading manuals and see where you find .45ACP, 185gr JHP and 1000fps all on the same page, and then see what powder they did it with. It's not going to be Bullseye. It's not that Bullseye is not a wise choice for high velocities - it's not a choice at all.

Sierra-950fps, Lyman-976fps, Alliant-986...I would think 950's would be reasonable...evidently not...general consensus is use a medium burn rate powder.