.380 vs .38spl...

I reckon, for me, it depends on season and clothing. I prefer my mod 60 in a Galco pancake when I can. For IWB under a tee shirt I carry a Sig 938 9 mm. I used to carry the Colt Mustang until arthritis left me prone to limp wrist jams.
 
o Although larger semi autos are very reliable, many sub compact 380 mouse guns have more jams than revolver.

Anyway, for me, a 5 shot J frame is my choice.

My 3" Chief's Special was my former GoTo. I was always reluctant to use a semi because of potential jams. Even my expensive Kimber 1911s have issues.

I recently bought a LCP II .380 and have run about 800 rounds down the tube with not a single hiccup. I've used about 6 different types of ammo.

Its now my new GoTo. Its just so easy to carry and conceal...
 
No question .38 special is balistically superior to .380 auto. Only advantages .380 has is slightly smaller package (so might be carried instead of nothing) slightly less recoil (so might be practiced with more).
Depending upon the gun, the .380 may have MORE felt recoil.

Back in the '80s, I had a .380 Walther PPKS (St. Etienne marked) and it had quite stout recoil for a gun in its caliber.
 
Depending upon the gun, the .380 may have MORE felt recoil.

Back in the '80s, I had a .380 Walther PPKS (St. Etienne marked) and it had quite stout recoil for a gun in its caliber.

Just guessing that an 8 ounce P3AT may have, oh, twice the felt recoil of a 15 ounce M380.
 
Platform familiarity is the deciding factor for me. I do currently have a small carry 380 and a 1911 but I am a revolver man. Whenever I train or compete with an auto I invariably make some type of error related to a manual of arms issue. It has happened enough over the years that I will only carry a revolver.

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I carry both and it never really comes to a decision of capacity or caliber, but usually about comfort. My EDC is a Shield 9. But when I want something lighter I carry my LCR 38. When I need deep concealment I carry my LCP II. `I'm okay with 5 rounds of 38sp. I'm okay with 7 rounds of 380.
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I do the same. In the LCP I carry the Underwood E.P. and the LCR is .357 and carry the Speer GD 135 short barrel .357 which produces 300 lbs of energy from 2" barrel.
 
I think the strongest point of the snubbie is getting a good, fast combat purchase and it points very naturally-for me. Under extreme pressure I think I may more likely hit the target with the first shot at reasonable ranges.
 
I think you may be the exception....

I think the strongest point of the snubbie is getting a good, fast combat purchase and it points very naturally-for me. Under extreme pressure I think I may more likely hit the target with the first shot at reasonable ranges.

Generally speaking, snubbies are hard to build competence with and most I've talked to feel the same way. I'm jealous of Hickok45 on youtube because he shoots snubs and pocket pistols hitting targets at 80 yard. I wish I could do that. You, sir, seem to have a valuable talent if snubs are that natural to you. I'm sure there are others like you, but I've never heard anyone else say that a snub was a natural shooter for them.
 
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I was saying it "points" naturally for me. I can't shoot like Hickok45 but I do OK. I'm not going to hit the gong at 80 yds or at least not very often. I'm talking out to 10 yds, not 80. But in real life I suspect we're talking a few feet to across the room distance. Who gets the first hit on the other guy will probably be the "winner". I shoot the LCP a bit more accurately than the LCR. I'm one of the strange guys that actually likes shooting the LCP. But I think in terms of getting a fast, good purchase on the gun drawn from concealment when I look down the barrel-forget the sights-I'm more likely to get a first shot center mass hit at 7 yards with the snubbie. It is very easy for me to grip the LCP so it isn't aligned in my hand to be on target when raised to a firing position. A lot of training would help this and most of the time I can grip it and come up on target but it is much easier, more natural for me with the LCR. Having said this I frequently carry the LCP if I have to pocket carry due to how I had to dress. Bottom line isn't caliber wars but which platform will allow you to get the first hit center mass from draw while carrying concealed.
 
rwsmith I forgot to "confess". I also have a LCR in .22lr and I shoot it often. The trigger is smooth but 2-3lbs heavier than the .357. I shoot tighter groups with it inspite of the heavy trigger. This is a great trainer for the .357. I'v been shooting Freedom Munitions .38 reloads and I don't think my .357 likes them. But I'm starting to reload and hopefully I can workup a load it likes better. I really encourage a .22lr snubbie trainer for improving .38 snubbie shooting-YMMV
 
I carry both J-frames and a LCP on a regular basis.

The LCP is very easy to conceal, easy to carry and as much as I hate to admit it I shoot it a bit more accurately than my j frames.....but...

I carry my 442 most of the time. I like the simplicity of a revolver and I think the 38+p is a slightly better round overall

I carry extra ammo but doubt there will ever be time for reloading until a fight is over...so a toss up there...

Most important to me is if things get bad, hand to hand-rolling on the ground bad, I think a revolver has the edge in reliability.
 
Honestly the only time I carry my M&P bodyguard 380 is when I'm out walking, cutting the grass or checking the mail. The other times I'm either packing my 642 J frame or 4" mod 10 38spl.
 
Below are two post from another forum I posted last year regarding testing the LCP, LCR, Glock 43 and later a Glock 26. I was surprised at the results as to how well the LCP did.

"I did a test today to determine the difference among these handguns in terms of practical accuracy. The "test" was shooting at 10" paper plates. Ten rounds with each gun at 3 yards and at 7 yards. I was at a commercial range so I couldn't draw from a holster or concealment. I started from a ready position with finger off the trigger, pushed the gun forward placing the finger on the trigger as I did so and firing as the gun punched out and the front sight was on the plate. I was not target shooting or shooting for groups. The LCP feels like a DA trigger and of course the LCR is DA. So both these triggers I began the pull as soon as the finger was on the trigger. My Glock 43 has a much lighter and shorter trigger so I didn't begin pressing the trigger until the front sight was on the target. I had assumed the 43 would easily out perform the LCR, and LCP. Not so. The LCP had all 20 rounds on the plate but 2 shots were close to missing the plate. The LCR had 19 rounds with one about 1/2" off the plate. The groups on both Rugers were pretty good and about the same. The 43 grouped tighter than the Rugers with all 20 rounds on the plate. But in practical terms a BG would have been in a world of hurt regardless of which of the three guns I used. Of course I'm not discussing caliber wars or capacity. The LCR is 5 shots with the LCP and 43 having 8 rounds. However at the end of the test I shot a cylinder of Speer Gold Dot .357 135gr short barrel which produces around 300 foot pounds of energy. Also there is the issue of getting a quick combat grip that produces a reasonable sight picture and the LCP takes a lot more practice for me than the LCR or 43 to do so. But bottom line the LCP performed just as well as the Glock 43 and LCR. I have confidence in all three to perform if needed. I will repeat these test again and extend the range to 10 yards. I suspect the 43 will perform noticeably better than the LCR or LCP at that range with me behind the wheel-YMMV. And once again I am amazed at the performance of the LCP."

"This was my unscientific test of "practical accuracy" for SD purposes previously shot at 3 yards and 7 yards. See LCP Custom, LCR .357 and Glock 43 Comparisons (the thread is midway down this page). My purpose wasn't to compare calibers, or capacity or speed/accuracy for follow up shots. I wanted to determine how well the LCP would do at various realistic SD distances with the first shot. Previously the target was 10" paper plates at 3 yards and 7 yards. The LCP was just as "effective" for SD purposes as the LCR and Glock 43. This time I shot 10" paper plates at 10-11 yards and added a Glock 26 into the mix. I shot 15 rounds with each gun. The LCR shooting standard velocity .38 had 13 hits and 2 misses. The LCP, Glock 43 and Glock 26 all scored 15 hits, no misses. The Glock 43 grouped a bit better than the LCP and the Glock 26 grouped rather well for the type of shooting for the test-see prior test for description of method of shooting. No surprise the 26 was the most "accurate" and easiest to shoot. The continued surprise was how well the tiny LCP did compared to what many consider serious SD pistols. For practical purposes Mr. Paper Plate was in the same world of hurt whether it was a Glock 26 shooting at him or the little bitty LCP! I am not suggesting that a LCP is as good or appropriate SD handgun as a Glock 26 or a ............(fill in the blank) but the little rascal performs adequately that I'm not uncomfortable relying on it. When I can carry a 9mm instead of the .380 I will-well sometimes as I get lazy and the LCP is so easy to carry. The test also showed I shoot the LCP better than the LCR. I think the trigger on the LCP is shorter, lighter and easier to hit with as the distance increases. The LCP has significant increased capacity over the LCR (3 rounds) and it looks to me I have to shoot the GD .357 135gr short barrel to get significantly better ballistics over the LCR shooting .38+P. I'm a descent shot but not an impressively good one. But I've concluded from the tests it probably doesn't matter what I carry. I can hit Mr Bad Paper Plate as long as he's not shooting back."

But the point I was trying to make in this discussion isn't how well the LCP shoots but can you grip it appropriately from concealment and get off an accurate first shot without having to adjust the gun in you hand. For me a snubbie is easier and more consistent than the LCP. I think a Glock 42 would be easy but at that size I would carry the 43. I carry all the guns I did the test with depending upon weather, clothing, where I'm going what i had for breakfest.
 
Malfunction resistance

I guess if I boil all the fat off my reasoning for feeling more confidence carrying 38/357 j frames it's that in a close contact self defense fight, I feel that a slide being grabbed or otherwise pushed out of battery is more likely to cause a malfunction. I know that a revolver cylinder can be stopped from rotating by grasping it, and twisting the revolver in the opposite direction of cylinder rotation while pulling hard on the trigger may help get the shot fired anyway, but after some grappling with a pistol slide a round could be partially fed/extracted/ jammed in the process and require further action. Once the revolver is ripped back from a grab attempt it will be more likely to be instantly ready for firing, where as the semiauto may require clearing a malfunction.
I guess the other reason is bad a primer is fixed by another quick pull of the trigger if it ain't your last round.
 
.380 acp CAN be an effective SD round, specifically through small mouse gun barrels.. But, it's a select group of commercial loads.

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Given a choice between the two, considerin' my pronounced interest in stayin' vertical, I go with door #3. Behind it is a 1911-A1 .45 ACP.

This is just me writin', so it's nothing more than my opinion: I'd rather have a Chief with 158 grain LSWC +P or LSWCHP +P than a .380. However, I can see how .380 aficionados would denounce me for heresy.
 
Given a choice between the two, considerin' my pronounced interest in stayin' vertical, I go with door #3. Behind it is a 1911-A1 .45 ACP.

This is just me writin', so it's nothing more than my opinion: I'd rather have a Chief with 158 grain LSWC +P or LSWCHP +P than a .380. However, I can see how .380 aficionados would denounce me for heresy.

1911-A1 is a great handgun. Classic, Iconic, BIG. Not easy to conceal for those of us that can not open carry. MORESO during the summer, in a T Shirt and shorts, say.
 
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