Okay, don't kill me for this. I love the trigger on my M2.0, but my department doesn't. They will be introducing a new weapon matrix requiring a 5#+ trigger pull. I qualified last night and my 2.0 pulled at between 4.5 and 4.75 using an NRA weight set (they feel digital is inaccurate). The policy isn't currently in place and could take years to implement, but I will eventually have to get it over 5#. Is this something I can get fixed under warranty? This gun is 100% factory, except the TFX pro sights. Any way I can get it over 5# on my own?
Trigger pull too light
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jejb
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I'd give the folks at S&W a call to discuss it. I'd think you'd be able to install a different trigger spring to up it a bit.
My 2.0 5" also had a 4.5# trigger from the factory. I was surprised it was that light from the factory.
Let us know how you fix it.
My 2.0 5" also had a 4.5# trigger from the factory. I was surprised it was that light from the factory.
Let us know how you fix it.
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I'll second the Apex Tactical. I have both a full size and a compact 2.0 and both triggers measure 5.1 pounds. Give Apex a call. They are great to work with.
I don't understand why the continuing trend is toward lighter trigger pull weight on defense weapons. No way would I want a four and a half pound trigger on a duty or carry weapon.
pistol-training.com >> Blog Archive >> A Light Trigger Pull Is Not a Status Symbol
pistol-training.com >> Blog Archive >> A Light Trigger Pull Is Not a Status Symbol
Thanks for the input. I should clarify, no non factory parts are allowed. I cannot even polish trigger parts or feed ramps. Natural wear is okay, just no speeding it uo.
It came from the factory this way. I only have a few hundred rounds through it.
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I'd go back to the factory on this. Do let them know what your proposed weight requirement is. One thing about the trigger weights, a lot of the accuracy is dependent upon just how light a touch the person doing the weighing has. You can have a trigger within spec, but if the lift on the weight is too fast, it'll weigh light. I've watched the guys weighing triggers at matches where "street triggers" are required. Some of the triggers (not mine) needed butterfly light lift to make weight.
At any rate, if you end up with a letter from the factory that your particular example clocked X lbs & Y oz on the official scales (ask for one if it makes weight), that at least gets you a point to argue.
At any rate, if you end up with a letter from the factory that your particular example clocked X lbs & Y oz on the official scales (ask for one if it makes weight), that at least gets you a point to argue.
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I know. Most people want short/light triggers and manufacturers are simply giving consumers want they want. That's fine for the range, but not for defensive purposes IMO. I go the other way and prefer DAO revolver trigger and even NY modules in my Glocks. I still don't understand how grown men complain they are too heavy.
The problem with heavier, longer trigger pulls is that they are slower, especially on follow up shots, and less accurate for all but the highly trained and practiced shooter. The more strength required to pull a trigger over a greater distance, the more the whole firing hand contracts and pulls the sights off target in a defensive situation. Not on the range; on the street.
That being said, triggers can definitely be too light for street/LE work, and if a department sets a lower limit that is not unreasonable, staying above that limit without going to full blown heavy and long triggers is doable at the manufacturer level.
That being said, triggers can definitely be too light for street/LE work, and if a department sets a lower limit that is not unreasonable, staying above that limit without going to full blown heavy and long triggers is doable at the manufacturer level.
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I agree. The only training I've had consists of the gradual squeeze of the trigger until the gun fires. I initially had a problem with shot anticipation and pulling the gun off target with a heavier pull. A lighter pull has helped eliminate those and I'm more accurate and faster putting rounds on target.
I have not acquired the skill set to be able to slap the trigger or a one quick motion pull and actually hit my intended target.
I totally see the argument for a heavier pull in defensive situations tho.
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If I ever have to present my pistol I've made the decision to shoot, not use it to scare people.
If you're running around with your weapon unholstered and your finger on the trigger you've got a lot more to worry about than trigger pull weight.
The ability to control your weapon in stressful situations isn't a hardware problem, it's a software problem.
Force Science News #3: Can You Really Prevent Unintentional Discharges?
"As far as the light trigger pull, your problem there, number one, is it has historically been linked to unintended discharges. So problem one, under stress, we SAY we're gonna keep our finger off the trigger.
The trouble with that study done in Europe with trained emergency-response personnel, indicated that several times, the sensors that were put on the test gun picked up a finger touching it [the trigger], when the officers swore that during the high-stress exercise their finger had never entered the trigger guard. It apparently occurs unconsciously, as the mind says "Hey, if we have to shoot this thing, we want to verify we can reach the trigger."
Second, you can go to court and say "I didn't accidentally discharge the gun, I always keep my finger outside the trigger." And they will then hit you with the bomb. "So, you want this jury to believe that you're incapable of making a mistake? You're the first perfect human being in two thousand and ten years. Is that what you're telling this jury?" Now that is gonna be a pretty tough sell."
- Massad Ayoob
"One thing that I see is a very lock step "all or nothing" world view. Thus if an instructor says finger on, it was always on, and vise versa. If gunfighting were so simple, we would not need any training in it would we since everyone would be an expert. In the circles I move in, it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with another martial adult if one takes such a point of view. In the real world, things are not black and white, all or nothing, and one size never fits all.
I advocate the finger off the trigger as a default position. In other words, unless there is a better place for it, the finger will be indexed along side the frame of the firearm. This is where it would normally be when moving or generally covering a danger area. But when approaching a specific danger point, or challenging or covering a human adversary at gun point (only a fool covers a man he may need to shoot in the next moment from low ready) the finger should be touching the trigger to reduce your reaction time, and thus increase your safety."
- Gabe Suarez
"As far as the light trigger pull, your problem there, number one, is it has historically been linked to unintended discharges. So problem one, under stress, we SAY we're gonna keep our finger off the trigger.
The trouble with that study done in Europe with trained emergency-response personnel, indicated that several times, the sensors that were put on the test gun picked up a finger touching it [the trigger], when the officers swore that during the high-stress exercise their finger had never entered the trigger guard. It apparently occurs unconsciously, as the mind says "Hey, if we have to shoot this thing, we want to verify we can reach the trigger."
Second, you can go to court and say "I didn't accidentally discharge the gun, I always keep my finger outside the trigger." And they will then hit you with the bomb. "So, you want this jury to believe that you're incapable of making a mistake? You're the first perfect human being in two thousand and ten years. Is that what you're telling this jury?" Now that is gonna be a pretty tough sell."
- Massad Ayoob
"One thing that I see is a very lock step "all or nothing" world view. Thus if an instructor says finger on, it was always on, and vise versa. If gunfighting were so simple, we would not need any training in it would we since everyone would be an expert. In the circles I move in, it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with another martial adult if one takes such a point of view. In the real world, things are not black and white, all or nothing, and one size never fits all.
I advocate the finger off the trigger as a default position. In other words, unless there is a better place for it, the finger will be indexed along side the frame of the firearm. This is where it would normally be when moving or generally covering a danger area. But when approaching a specific danger point, or challenging or covering a human adversary at gun point (only a fool covers a man he may need to shoot in the next moment from low ready) the finger should be touching the trigger to reduce your reaction time, and thus increase your safety."
- Gabe Suarez
I also qualified with my Shield 9 and 9c, both Gen 1, and both were around 6# estimated by the rangemaster. I might have to put my 220 Elite Dark back in service if I send it back to S&W.
Here's a factory-made alternative: S&W makes the Massachusetts trigger, with a 10-pound pull weight. No one seems to like it, 
but it does meet your department's requirements. As others have suggested, you'd probably be better off having your department's armorer adjust your existing gun.
but it does meet your department's requirements. As others have suggested, you'd probably be better off having your department's armorer adjust your existing gun.
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Rastoff
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I don't understand the concern over this. If my gun is pointed at the bad guy and he gets shot, the shooting was intentional. There is no reason to point the gun at the bad guy outside of needing to shoot. Therefore, the shot, regardless of trigger pull weight, was intentional, not negligent.
My 1911 has a 4lb trigger. I consider it good enough for defensive purposes. If it dropped below that I would probably get it fixed. I do think that a trigger can be too light for proper control, but I wouldn't quibble about a few ounces either way.
My 1911 has a 4lb trigger. I consider it good enough for defensive purposes. If it dropped below that I would probably get it fixed. I do think that a trigger can be too light for proper control, but I wouldn't quibble about a few ounces either way.
Sure there is. It happens all the time. This is like saying the gun shouldn't come out of it's holster or the safe unless you intend/have to shoot.
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