Tanners Owner
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I'd strongly consider it. I like the M&P platform and am intrigued by the 10mm.
10mm m&p
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Walt Sherrill
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S&W had problems with the .357SIG M&P, and they eventually stopped offering that model.
I wonder whether they'd have similar problems with a 10mm M&P without major upgrades or a redesign?
I wonder whether they'd have similar problems with a 10mm M&P without major upgrades or a redesign?
Rastoff
US Veteran
I think the .357Sig was discontinued due to low sales not problems. At least I've never heard of problems unique to that caliber.
Philadelphia Patriot
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I think 10mm is more popular than .357 Sig.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Why do you think that? Both are uncommon calibers. 10mm has been around longer, but neither has really become popular like others. In fact, .40S&W is an off shoot of the 10mm and is 100x more popular than 10mm.
Wee Hooker
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I don't particularly want one myself but have witnessed a recent and significant growth in popularity in the 10MM. ( We used to get two 10mm firearms requests a year. Lately it's more like two a week.) Several mainstream manufactures have responded with both pistols and rifles in this caliber. Why not Smith and Wesson? If not in a M&P, maybe a 1911.
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mrchuck
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The official sidearm of the Texas Highway Patrol is the 357Sig caliber in a Sig pistol.
Their tests proved that this caliber penetrates windshields, side glass and rear window. Also does a number on the engine.
Their tests proved that this caliber penetrates windshields, side glass and rear window. Also does a number on the engine.
Black Wolf
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Does this generation have any equivalent to my generations Sonny Crocket who carries a 357sig and goes after drug dealers? If not, then we (10mm folks) win that one
And OH YEA, I would definitely buy a 10mm M&P. I hate the way S&W has no answer for the G20. Glock has the 43, we have the shield, G19.... 2.0 Compact, G34.... M&P 5". Everything Glock does, Smith can match 'em except 10mm
The 10mm was created......
....as a Police/Agent gun as a result of the 'caliber wars' to equip officers with a gun powerful enough to be a real 'stopper'. The problem was that the average officer couldn't handle it well. SO, they shortened the 10mm S&W and gave it a lighter charge, which turned out to be the popular .40 cal, though not without problems. Often they were built on 9mm frames that can't take the beating. It sure would be nice if they would strengthen the frame of the .40s since they know that is a problem.
10mm advocates call the 10mm S&W the 10mm 'Short and Weak'
I know how attractive having a single, one size fits all weapon on a police force, agency or in an army. In the case of the police force I don't know why in the world they can't have options of 2 or 3 calibers. The people that could handle big stuff could use a 10mm and the people blown away by the 10mm could use a 9mm or .40 cal.
As far as SD goes, the 10mm is great if you can handle the recoil and get fast follow up shots. SOME people like a really powerful gun for SD, but I don't think it's the norm. I wonder if a lot of people have 10mm just like I have a .357. I don't carry it around, but I like to shoot it. In other words, I wonder how often it is used as an SD gun?
....as a Police/Agent gun as a result of the 'caliber wars' to equip officers with a gun powerful enough to be a real 'stopper'. The problem was that the average officer couldn't handle it well. SO, they shortened the 10mm S&W and gave it a lighter charge, which turned out to be the popular .40 cal, though not without problems. Often they were built on 9mm frames that can't take the beating. It sure would be nice if they would strengthen the frame of the .40s since they know that is a problem.
10mm advocates call the 10mm S&W the 10mm 'Short and Weak'
I know how attractive having a single, one size fits all weapon on a police force, agency or in an army. In the case of the police force I don't know why in the world they can't have options of 2 or 3 calibers. The people that could handle big stuff could use a 10mm and the people blown away by the 10mm could use a 9mm or .40 cal.
As far as SD goes, the 10mm is great if you can handle the recoil and get fast follow up shots. SOME people like a really powerful gun for SD, but I don't think it's the norm. I wonder if a lot of people have 10mm just like I have a .357. I don't carry it around, but I like to shoot it. In other words, I wonder how often it is used as an SD gun?
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Rastoff
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I don't understand this comment. Sonny Crocket carried a Bren 10 for a little bit, but mostly a S&W 645 and 4506 in .45ACP.Does this generation have any equivalent to my generations Sonny Crocket who carries a 357sig and goes after drug dealers? If not, then we (10mm folks) win that one
It's a pretty big niche, then!
Walt Sherrill
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Do a search on this area of the forum using "NCHP SIG Problems" and you'll find a number of discussions and an extended series of messages about the NCHP situation. (My son is a NCHP Trooper, so I heard about it first hand.
The search results includes messages that recount conversations with S&W Customer Service who suggested NOT using .357 Conversion barrels in the 40 version of the M&P.
That said, I have NOT heard of others (civilians) complaining about problems.
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bluelund79
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I'd buy a 10mm M&P, and at least 10 mags. I'd love to sell my last Glock, but sometimes carrying 15+1 of 10mm in grizzly country is comforting. And my 1911 in 10mm makes my back ache after a half dozen miles or so.
martybee
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I would buy one but, I don't think it will come to pass. I think S&W has learned a lesson from the poor acceptance of the .357 Sig. I doubt they will even put out a limited number to test the market.
NJM15
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M&P 40/357 SIG
I have a .357 Sig barrel for my S&W Best of both worlds, maybe they will produce a barrel for the .10 doubt if the mag will handle .10mm though
I have a .357 Sig barrel for my S&W Best of both worlds, maybe they will produce a barrel for the .10 doubt if the mag will handle .10mm though
lhump1961
US Veteran
I have two .357c M&P's and have no problems of any sort with them. One I gave to my Dad so it doesn't get shot much although I shot it a bit before I let it go. The other is mine and I shoot it regularly without an issue of any kind. Very easy to shoot well and never any failures...not one.
Of course I don't know much outside of my own experience but I think it was lack of sales and ammo cost that was it's demise. I load my own so cost is the same as other calibers for me.
I would predict the same for a 10mm M&P. Small group of buyers wouldn't satisfy the sales goals of the stockholders. I wouldn't be interested in a 10mm myself.
Rastoff
US Veteran
Interesting. I don't remember that discussion, but I'm not a .357Sig fan so, I probably didn't follow it. I do find it unique that S&W said not to use a .357Sig barrel in a .40S&W gun because they are the exact same frame and slide and use the same mags.
I have heard of several police departments having trouble with M&Ps though. Caliber doesn't seem to be an issue so much as manufacture lot.
But we digress. This is about 10mm.
I think another issue with building a 10mm is the slide. Because the barrel requires a stronger and longer chamber, it may require a complete redesign of the slide as well. The block around the chamber is how the gun locks up. If this needs to be longer, it will require a slide redesign.
I'll bet that due to the 10mm's limited popularity, S&W doesn't want to go through the expense to design a new slide.
Then there's the question of durability. Will the standard frame hold up to the 10mm's violent nature?
