M&P 10mm: Am I ready to be hurt again? *UPDATE w/VIDEO: Mag drop problem persists*
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Why is a flat nose hard cast bullet so important for bear protection? I always thought a full metal jacket rounded nose penetrated about as well as anything.
I can't explain it, but wide flat nose seems to disrupt the tissue more than a FMJ, or at least appears to. Also for some reason. Lead boolits seem to drop animals quicker than jacketed. Again, can't explain it, just have experienced it over the years.
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Round nose FMJ wouldn't be the worst choice, but:
1. Like Rosewood said, better tissue disruption.
2. Regular FMJ, if/when it loses its jacket, deforms pretty easily. This hampers penetration.
3. This is harder to validate, but probably true: compared to a flat nose, an intact round nose will supposedely have a greater tendency to deflect off of or "slide around" obstacles instead of punch through through them. A flat nose does a better job of producing penetration rather than deflection.
And since 10mm (or any handgun caliber) is marginal for the use case of predator defense, it's important that the projectile be optimized for that purpose, if that's why you're carrying it.
I'm a huge 10mm fan. I own 6-7 of them & carry one almost daily.
But none of mine are Smiths, they're all a mix of other brands. There's a reason for that, it's because Smith doesn't do semis very well at all.
I would argue that Smith has made only two semis worth spit, the models 41 & 52. Yes, I own both & they're darn good guns. But for whatever reason, the engineering from those didn't transfer to the later designs.
For those wanting a 10mm but in a non-1911 design, I would urge a hard look at the Springfield Armory XD or the FN. I don't reload, so I can't comment on the 200gr SWC bullets. But mine has been 100% with any JHP ammo I have used. All my 1911 10mm's have also been 100% as well.
It befuddles me that Smith can make such wonderful & amazing revolvers & turn around & produce such low-quality semis.
But none of mine are Smiths, they're all a mix of other brands. There's a reason for that, it's because Smith doesn't do semis very well at all.
I would argue that Smith has made only two semis worth spit, the models 41 & 52. Yes, I own both & they're darn good guns. But for whatever reason, the engineering from those didn't transfer to the later designs.
For those wanting a 10mm but in a non-1911 design, I would urge a hard look at the Springfield Armory XD or the FN. I don't reload, so I can't comment on the 200gr SWC bullets. But mine has been 100% with any JHP ammo I have used. All my 1911 10mm's have also been 100% as well.
It befuddles me that Smith can make such wonderful & amazing revolvers & turn around & produce such low-quality semis.
I'm a huge 10mm fan. I own 6-7 of them & carry one almost daily.
But none of mine are Smiths, they're all a mix of other brands. There's a reason for that, it's because Smith doesn't do semis very well at all.
I would argue that Smith has made only two semis worth spit, the models 41 & 52. Yes, I own both & they're darn good guns. But for whatever reason, the engineering from those didn't transfer to the later designs.
For those wanting a 10mm but in a non-1911 design, I would urge a hard look at the Springfield Armory XD or the FN. I don't reload, so I can't comment on the 200gr SWC bullets. But mine has been 100% with any JHP ammo I have used. All my 1911 10mm's have also been 100% as well.
It befuddles me that Smith can make such wonderful & amazing revolvers & turn around & produce such low-quality semis.
You gonna start a fight with this.
I love 3rd Gen S&W semis. I believe they are some of the best and most reliable semi out there. Carry one everyday. I am warming up to the M&P 9 Sub now. I may start carrying it so I can have a weapon light.
I have 4 S&W 10mm Semis. 1006, 1076, 1013 and the M&P. I haven't put the M&P through the paces. But the 3rd gens are dang near bullet proof and have been 100% reliable.
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I'm a huge 10mm fan. I own 6-7 of them & carry one almost daily.
But none of mine are Smiths, they're all a mix of other brands. There's a reason for that, it's because Smith doesn't do semis very well at all.
I would argue that Smith has made only two semis worth spit, the models 41 & 52. Yes, I own both & they're darn good guns. But for whatever reason, the engineering from those didn't transfer to the later designs.
For those wanting a 10mm but in a non-1911 design, I would urge a hard look at the Springfield Armory XD or the FN. I don't reload, so I can't comment on the 200gr SWC bullets. But mine has been 100% with any JHP ammo I have used. All my 1911 10mm's have also been 100% as well.
It befuddles me that Smith can make such wonderful & amazing revolvers & turn around & produce such low-quality semis.
The main reason why I'm so disappointed by the 10mm M&P is that I love M&Ps in general and have had great experiences with them.
I wish I would have researched this gun more than I did before purchasing it last month. Performance Center 5.6 M&P. I read some reviews saying the problems were fixed and believed it. Like really, 2-3 years without fixing a known design flaw?
Dropped mags using 220g Underwood and Buffalo Bore.
In one single magazine, dropped 3 times and failed to feed the last round.
I asked S&W for a full refund, and I received an RMA for review of the gun.
FedEx just picked it up to go back for warranty repair. Strange thing is the S&W repair center asked for the gun only; “do not send anything else that came with it, including magazines”. Not looking forward to this, based on what I have read on these forums.
Crazy that S&W did not catch this early in the design process, or least in the test phase. Clearly not fully tested. Shame.
Dropped mags using 220g Underwood and Buffalo Bore.
In one single magazine, dropped 3 times and failed to feed the last round.
I asked S&W for a full refund, and I received an RMA for review of the gun.
FedEx just picked it up to go back for warranty repair. Strange thing is the S&W repair center asked for the gun only; “do not send anything else that came with it, including magazines”. Not looking forward to this, based on what I have read on these forums.
Crazy that S&W did not catch this early in the design process, or least in the test phase. Clearly not fully tested. Shame.
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Get your money back from S&W or make the best trade you can.
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No problems with my PC 10mm
But, I do not use the thumb high/forward hold[no good on unmodifided guns],, Ride the safety[same],, or regrip between shots [shot magnums for years not mouseguns with bunnyfart loads...]
I have seen more problems caused by the thumbhigh hold recently .
Keep your fingers away from the controls and slide and you will have a better time.
No problems with my PC 10mm
But, I do not use the thumb high/forward hold[no good on unmodifided guns],, Ride the safety[same],, or regrip between shots [shot magnums for years not mouseguns with bunnyfart loads...]
I have seen more problems caused by the thumbhigh hold recently .
Keep your fingers away from the controls and slide and you will have a better time.
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