New Laws in New Jersey Today

[bushmaster1313]

Six new gun control measures were signed into law today, including a ban on many magazines greater than 10 rounds. New Jersey residents and those passing through need to take heed.

One of the new laws makes it even harder for ordinary folks to get an already impossible to get carry permit. One thing that people can do is to support and encourage the NRA -- who is backing a challenge to New Jersey's shall issue carry permit system.

 

[redlevel]

Many due process questions about the so-called "red flag" law.
Do I understand that a person's gun rights may be denied on the
Word of ONE "Health Care Professional"?

Glad I am in Georgia, gnats and all.

 

[amazingflapjack]

Bring the Flag.

 

[Old cop]

While I have LEOSA certification when I go to NJ I switch out all my hollow points for FMJ in my J frame, plus reloads. A friend, and retired cop in NJ, says this is not necessary but I don't want to take any chances. Anyone know the real deal?

 

[pharmer]

I moved out of NJ almost 40 years ago. If'n I'm lucky I'll never visit again. Joe

 

[paulh]

Will it make a difference? Not to me except I'm now an official but not registered felon

 

[LoboGunLeather]

I'm just sitting here thinking about why I would ever want to go to New Jersey anyway. I don't know anyone there very well, and their elected representatives seem to be opposed to me for some reason I can't imagine. Really, why would I ever go there?

 

[pharmer]

Really, why would I ever go there?

NJ is a lot like California. Problems come from north of the Raritan river and Trenton/Camden area. My family had a summer home 1960-'75 in Brick on the northern end of the "Pine Barrens." Spent endless days in the woods with my Red Ryder and after 1964 my Marlin B/A.22. The beach was 6 miles away and Seaside Heights 15. I did all my "growing up" there and it was literally a blast. It's so long ago and far away, seems like somebody else's life movie in my head. Truly sad what's happened to the "Garden State." (I can't hardly remember buying fruit or vegetables except in dead of winter). Joe

 

[bushmaster1313]

Many due process questions about the so-called "red flag" law.
Do I understand that a person's gun rights may be denied on the
Word of ONE "Health Care Professional"?

Glad I am in Georgia, gnats and all.

I am not going to even try to make a legal interpretation of the new red flag law. A-1181

But it sort of says that
(a) if a health care professional has a duty to warn that a patient is going to hurt someone (the duty to warn is old law), the health care professional must under the new law report this to the police chief but not give over clinical information.
(b)The police chief may then use this information to determine if the person is not fit to own guns under New Jersey Law.
(c) If the police chief makes the determination, the matter then gets referred to a judge to make the same determination.
(d) If the judge makes the same determination, the judge "may order" that any guns owned by the person must be surrendered to law enforcement and may order that the surrendered guns are to be "disposed" under the law of seized goods.
(e) If there is probable cause to believe that the ordered surrender was not complied with, the judge may order the guns seized.

Read fairly, the law seems to say that if a health care professional gets wind of a threat by a patient, the health care professional must report it to the police, and if the patient is a gun owner, the police is then allowed to run the same kind of exhaustive background check that takes place the first time you try to buy any gun and each time you try to buy a pistol.

Thus, a health care professional by themselves cannot cause a person's guns to be seized, but in practice that is likely what will happen

An amended version of the bill is here, I am not sure what actually passed

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Also new is A1217 a version here
And I am not rendering a legal opinion on this one either.

This very complicated law seems to allow a domestic partner, family member, etc., to petition a court for a protective order to force a person to surrender their guns and ammunition, first temporary and then permanent.

In other words, it sort of says that almost anyone in any present or former relationship can go to a judge and say:
So-and-so is really a danger,
They have guns, and
Their guns should be taken away -- Right Now!

 

[American1776]

I grew up in NJ, have close family there, and visit there every week. I do not live there, thank goodness.

I seem to recall that one of the earlier drafts of the new gun laws had a 5 round restriction. I guess that didn't fly, even in the PRNJ.

Even back in the 1970's when my dad had to go through the legal process in NJ of buying a .22 revolver and a shotgun, he had to be interviewed by the police, undergo fingerprinting, and wait several months.

Today, in some parts of NJ, it's worse. Police stations simply refuse to process permits to purchase handguns, and applicants need to hire lawyers in order to compel the police departments to process their applications.

 

[panther]

I grew up in NJ too. I was in the Asbury Park area from birth to the mid 70's. My family didn't have guns, but I remember being chased out of a sporting goods section of a store because i was looking at BB guns and I wasn't 18 yet.
It was a very nice, blue collar. family friendly area with decent schools and nice homes. Now the homes that working class people could afford, sell in the half million dollar range, and up. Taxes are high, crime is high, it's a whole different world. Most of my family, and people I grew up with, are scattered around the country. Just our memories of the old days remain.

 

[pharmer]

Even back in the 1970's when my dad had to go through the legal process in NJ of buying a .22 revolver and a shotgun, he had to be interviewed by the police, undergo fingerprinting, and wait several months.

Just the thumbprint, it was on the upper right hand corner of the FOID. The purchase "permit" was only good for 90 days and I had to get my FOID card from the chief of police in my town signed by him. Joe

 

[TTSH]

I moved out of NJ almost 40 years ago. If'n I'm lucky I'll never visit again.

Likewise. I did a lot of work in NJ during my career and drove through a few times for other purposes... but now I'm old and retired and I have zero need or interest to visit or drive through NJ ever again... Thank God!

Will it make a difference? Not to me except I'm now an official but not registered felon

Here in the People's Republic of MA, we gun owners are all considered unindicted felons-in-waiting... that the result of the 7/20/2016 decree from our anti-2A AG lady.

You get used to it after a while.

 

[ladder13]

I try not to pile on in situations such as this, I did live in NY, rated the worst state for gun owners by many pro gun organizations year after year. I certainly know the pain.
Having moved to a often called "free state"( I don't like the term because no state is truly free), I find it a whole different mindset, at least for now.
Always be on your toes though, take nothing for granted, the anti's take no breather.

 

[paulh]

I can remember back in the late 80's going to my Chief to get a pistol purchase permit on my way to work in Atlantic Highlands and bringing home my S&W 357 that same day. There was a sports shop there that sold used firearms. The guy was amazed I had the permit the same day

 

[steelslaver]

I fondly remember going to my gun dealer, filling out the form, checking the boxes, signing and dating it, handing him my money and walking out the door with a couple guns. It was Tuesday of this week.

 

[mick27]

Ar Jays !!

 

[touchoneoff]

Six new gun control measures were signed into law today, including a ban on many magazines greater than 10 rounds. New Jersey residents and those passing through need to take heed.

One of the new laws makes it even harder for ordinary folks to get an already impossible to get carry permit. One thing that people can do is to support and encourage the NRA -- who is backing a challenge to New Jersey's shall issue carry permit system.

It will never stop. Glad I don't live there.

 

[lrrifleman]

I attended a US Law Shield seminar today that was aimed to cover the 6 new laws enacted by the State. I came away with three major takes.

First, under the 180 Grace period before enactment of the 10 round maximum magazine law, people with these magazines can only surrender them to a licensed FFL, the police, or permanently limit capacity of ten rounds, permanent methods of limiting are not identified. We are still subject to prosecution if we use, transport or destroy the magazines.

Second, law enforcement is not protected from the magazine capacity limits. Off duty LEO'S and retiree cops will be subjected to the 10 round limit.

Third, people that have had firearms seized but never picked up the seized property have had their second amendment rights legally denied for future purchases. This has been an unadvertised law for 10 years.

On the horizon is legislation aimed at reducing magazine capacity to 5 rounds and a push to ban semi-auto long arms that have a forward grip (read forearm).

The state is getting speaker with every breath!

 

[TexasArmed]

Likewise. I did a lot of work in NJ during my career and drove through a few times for other purposes... but now I'm old and retired and I have zero need or interest to visit or drive through NJ ever again... Thank God!


Here in the People's Republic of MA, we gun owners are all considered unindicted felons-in-waiting... that the result of the 7/20/2016 decree from our anti-2A AG lady.

You get used to it after a while.

By the way I shoot left handed and I really had a hard time
finding a holster similar to the Fobus. Finally found one custom
made by a company in Maine that makes them.
At least you have some companies there making holsters.