5 Shot Snubby of CCW?

[Imissedagain]

Indeed, but I find it interesting that when some have an issue with a particular choice, they always come up with an even more unlikely scenario.

Case in point:
I have ridden motorcycles a lot. I prefer a full face helmet. A friend once told me, "I'll never wear a full face helmet. If you go down, and are sliding feet first under a truck, the chin bar will catch on the rear axle can break your neck." True story and he only wore half helmets. But think about it, even if what he said about the chin bar were true (which is isn't), what are the odds of a person crashing their bike and sliding feet first under a truck? So rare I'll bet it's never happened.

Has someone been attacked by a 300lb person in a public bathroom? I'm sure it's happened. The possibility is just so low for me that I don't take it into consideration. I try to think of the most likely, and realistic, situations for me and prepare for those. Then if the weird one happens, I'm at least a little ready because of my practice.

Heck, I'll just settle for a person to practice anything at all with their carry gun because most don't. If there's no practice, it really doesn't matter what you carry. You'll be equally unprepared no matter what.

Full face masks prevent a driving sleet storm from alternating your facial features.
As well as bugs, etc etc.
1965 was the first time I remember those wonderful helmets being sold at Ghost Motorcycle in Port Washington NY.
Made my day!!!

 

[Walkingwolf]

While, to an extent, that argument holds (some) water, I would suggest the following:

(1) Being in a gunfight doesn't tell you very much about gunfights in general. Just the one you were in.

(2) I can't think of anybody who has studied more cases, and interviewed more survivors, than Ayoob.

In this case, I can't find anything to disagree with him on:

*Sometimes you need more than five or six shots.
*If your gun or extra magazine is in your car, you might as well have left it at home.
*Practicing point/instinctive shooting is good.
*Practicing aimed fire is good.
*Learning to hit stuff further than 3 yards away is good.

MA once wrote that the 357 sig was so powerful he killed a snake by missing the snake completely. This was an outright fabrication as the myth of sonic shock waves have been clearly proved false.

Some of the most famous gunfighters from Chicago, and NYPD were in many gunfights with revolvers. Not just one fight, but multiple.

 

[Muss Muggins]

He was an unpaid reserve officer in Grantham, NH, population 3,000. I don’t think he’s been anywhere near a gunfight.

Only vicariously . . .

 

[nachogrande]

"CLASSICS"

CLASSICS don't become classics for nothing. If you learn anything here, it's that what is right for 1 person, IS NOT right for all.

 

[nachogrande]

IDK???

MA once wrote that the 357 sig was so powerful he killed a snake by missing the snake completely. This was an outright fabrication as the myth of sonic shock waves have been clearly proved false.

Some of the most famous gunfighters from Chicago, and NYPD were in many gunfights with revolvers. Not just one fight, but multiple.

I may have killed as many grouse with tree bark & branches than with the birdshot.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I may have killed as many grouse with tree bark & branches than with the birdshot.

I have killed a few just by my semi flying down the road. They just fell out of the trees as I passed by.

 

[Cal44]

He was an unpaid reserve officer in Grantham, NH, population 3,000. I don’t think he’s been anywhere near a gunfight.

Probably true.

But he is able to contribute a couple things.

First, he has the communication skills to write informative articles and entice a publisher to publish them.

Most officers who may have been in a few gun fights can't do a good write-up and figure out how to get it published -- even if they wanted to (and most probably don't want to).

Second, MA has the personality and journalistic skills to conduct interviews with lots of officers and distill the info down in his stories.

I know several officers who have never been in a gun fight, or have only been in one. Their input is useful, but general conclusions drawn from a single event can be misleading.

 

[Ziggy2525]

Probably true.

But he is able to contribute a couple things.

First, he has the communication skills to write informative articles and entice a publisher to publish them.

Most officers who may have been in a few gun fights can't do a good write-up and figure out how to get it published -- even if they wanted to (and most probably don't want to).

Second, MA has the personality and journalistic skills to conduct interviews with lots of officers and distill the info down in his stories.

I know several officers who have never been in a gun fight, or have only been in one. Their input is useful, but but general conclusions drawn from a single event can be misleading.

MA has great info. IMO, he presents himself as having learned it info from first hand experience. That doesn’t appear to be true and isn’t so good.

 

[two-bit cowboy]

Only vicariously . . .

I read others' tales and don't ever want the experience more than that way. The real deal is NOT on my bucket list!

I haul around a five-shot snubbie, anything from a 1952 Baby Chiefs to a 460ES, and hope never to feel a need to present any of them.

 

[fredj338]

He was an unpaid reserve officer in Grantham, NH, population 3,000. I don’t think he’s been anywhere near a gunfight.

And neither have most paid officers in larger cities???

 

[nachogrande]

ANYONE CAN COME UP WITH A NUGGET OF WISDOM.

EVEN MOOB.

 

[petepeterson]

I carry reloads out of years of habit. BUT most bad guys do not give time outs to reload.

I did some J-frame drills on Saturday. 3-5 yds, backing up to 7yds. Shooting on the move, drawing and point shooting, etc. One thing that stood out to me was, after inducing some physical exertion to get the heart-rate up, and artificially forcing myself to "panic," I still shot pretty well, but a rapid reload from a speed strip was extremely difficult.
The cardboard targets were not moving aggressively towards me, either.
I still maintain that my reload is to make sure I'm not waiting for the authorities with an empty gun. Not saying I wouldn't try my best, but I have no illusions of pulling a "miculek" after she runs dry.

 

[Muss Muggins]

And neither have most paid officers in larger cities???

And they're not prolific authors and paid trial experts with regard to gunfights . . .

 

[HorizontalMike]

HUH?

...[snip]...
...
I still maintain that my reload is to make sure I'm not waiting for the authorities with an empty gun. Not saying I wouldn't try my best, but I have no illusions of pulling a "miculek" after she runs dry.

HUH? Please do me a favor and take 5 minutes (and nothing less) to think about this response...

Please!...

 

[Wise_A]

MA once wrote that the 357 sig was so powerful he killed a snake by missing the snake completely. This was an outright fabrication as the myth of sonic shock waves have been clearly proved false.

Hence why I never implied I agree with everything he says. Rather, I said I agreed with the five things mentioned in the linked post. Which I feel I made pretty clear to anyone who read.

Some of the most famous gunfighters from Chicago, and NYPD were in many gunfights with revolvers. Not just one fight, but multiple.

That's super. It's also irrelevant. First-hand knowledge of several gunfights (a la Stakeout Squad) isn't as useful as reviewing what went right and what went wrong over a large number of shootings.

In fact, one might argue that the lessons of someone who's been involved in many gunfights have less bearing on most of us. After all, we need advice on how to survive as an inexperienced fighter. To use an analogy, somebody once told me to shoot Slow Fire a particular way because "that's how Brian Zins (a guy with more national championships than anybody else) does it." My reply was that I wasn't Zins, didn't practice or train like him, and certainly couldn't shoot as well as him, so copying his techniques blindly was dumb.

 

[adwjc]

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Some of the most famous gunfighters from Chicago, and NYPD were in many gunfights with revolvers. Not just one fight, but multiple.

Solely because they were required by their departmental rules to use revolvers as their primary firearm at the time.

If you research further (especially Jim Cirillo) you will see that he obeyed his rules, carrying at least two K frame .38s but carried additional weapons, including long guns, on his stakeouts.

All of which is rather far from the needs of your average, non LEO CCW.

 

[Imissedagain]

I may have killed as many grouse with tree bark & branches than with the birdshot.

MSgt at T1A Gunnery School, in ‘66, said more planes went down by flying thru shell cases as opposed to actually getting hit.

 

[Imissedagain]

Taking out/down 300lb attackers..... re-articulate their knees with your legs..... practice setting them up..... should be part of learning to protect your firearms..... Randori.

 

[fredj338]

Indeed, but I find it interesting that when some have an issue with a particular choice, they always come up with an even more unlikely scenario.

Case in point:
I have ridden motorcycles a lot. I prefer a full face helmet. A friend once told me, "I'll never wear a full face helmet. If you go down, and are sliding feet first under a truck, the chin bar will catch on the rear axle can break your neck." True story and he only wore half helmets. But think about it, even if what he said about the chin bar were true (which is isn't), what are the odds of a person crashing their bike and sliding feet first under a truck? So rare I'll bet it's never happened.

Has someone been attacked by a 300lb person in a public bathroom? I'm sure it's happened. The possibility is just so low for me that I don't take it into consideration. I try to think of the most likely, and realistic, situations for me and prepare for those. Then if the weird one happens, I'm at least a little ready because of my practice.

Heck, I'll just settle for a person to practice anything at all with their carry gun because most don't. If there's no practice, it really doesn't matter what you carry. You'll be equally unprepared no matter what.

I dont have an issue, jut find it funny that those who make their decisions look at the situation so benignly. 100s of 1000s of people carry no weapon, have no training & do fine, until they have that 1-2% event. So imo, if I am bothering to carry at all, I want most any situation to be covered. This includes my weapon choice & the training & practice to utilize that choice. Most ccw carry to feel good & thats fine, as noted, not likely to need it, but they ate barely better off than those that dont carry at all imo.

 

[fredj338]

And they're not prolific authors and paid trial experts with regard to gunfights . . .

Surviving a single fight with your gun doesnt make you an automatic expert. I know plenty of leo that have & still seek training & practice from those that are better shooters. More skill is never a bad thing. I have shot with leo that survived their gunfight, they know it was not their gun skill but luck, hence why they are practicing in an idpa match with me.