Elmer Keith/S&W .500......

[rdcl]

Just a thought. What do you all think Mr. Keith would have thought of the S&W .500 mag.?

Would he have embraced it?

I just wonder this as I'm sitting here. I'm reading some very old articles from G&A ....'76/'77.
Everyone knows ol' Elmer was a big advocate of large-bore magnums both in rifle and revolvers. We would never have the model 29 were it not for Elmer Keith persisting S&W to produce a revolver chambered for the .44 magnum round he developed.
I just finished reading an article from a 1977 issue of G&A where Elmer reviews a Century Mfg. .45-70 single action 5-shot revolver. I had no idea that a company actually produced such a gun back then. Granted, it was not made by a major gun-maker and not many were produced, but Elmer seemed quite enthused about the gun based on my reading of the article.

My opinion is this: I do not think the S&W .500 would have replaced his classic preference for his dual 4" model 29's.

I DO think he would have loved "playing" with the .500 though!

What do you think?

Russ

 

[gregintenn]

Considering Mr. Keith's stature, I believe the muzzle of a 500 barrel would have drug the ground from his holster. That's assuming he could keep his pants up while wearing it. I imagine he'd have had a ball shooting one, but I doubt he'd carry it regularly.

 

[DeadAye]

Ol' Elmer woulda probably souped it up some making it REAL MAGNUM.
I still miss his writing............

 

[BigBill]

Elmer Keith the godfarther of handgun hunting and bigbore magnums was always looking for something bigger, the next best magnum. I believe he would of loved the 500S&W but would still be looking ahead for something bigger. I think he would be into the BFR's and maybe withy the rifle calibers.

 

[NYlakesider]

I grew up (born mid 40s) reading Keith both in his numerous magazine articles and a few of his books. Without a doubt he like more BANG for the buck. Elmer sort of gave you the feeling a .350 Mag was just about the right caliber for hunting woodchucks and liked the larger 40 calibers for anything bigger.

I read that .45-70 article when it came out and thought Yep that's pure Keith. Without a doubt he would have liked the new bigger boomers like the .500 and others in its class, but unless out hunting African game or the big Alaska bears I would think his trusty .44 mag would be on his belt.

For you younger folks out there, when Elmer died they (mostly gun writers of the era) did a .44 mag salute for a final send off to the Great One at his funeral.

 

[venomballistics]

Oh Im sure he'd have found many uses for the 500 as well as the 460. I doubt that he'd have adopted either as his main weapon though. As large and heavy as the X frames are they are akin to having a carbine strapped to your hip and deviates from that fine balance of speed and potency the 29 offered. Not to say you wouldn't find one stowed in a pack though.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Oh Im sure he'd have found many uses for the 500 as well as the 460. I doubt that he'd have adopted either as his main weapon though. As large and heavy as the X frames are they are akin to having a carbine strapped to your hip and deviates from that fine balance of speed and potency the 29 offered. Not to say you wouldn't find one stowed in a pack though.

Agreed. Elmer abhorred the idea of making a handgun into a field piece without wheels. He said that he never understood placing a scope on a handgun and I think he probably would be mildly amused at the massive X frame guns and the acoutrements that have become de rigueur with them.

 

[CO_Kid]

There's a picture of Elmer Keith touching off that 45-70 gun in Bill Jordan's "No second place winner". The picture shows it in the height of recoil, which is the barrel pointing straight up towards the sky.

I think he'd be just fine with the big magnums.

 

[papajohn428]

Elmer never met a "magnum" he didn't like, I'm sure he'd find a use for it, but I seriously doubt it would ever supplant his beloved 44's. He never saw the need to go bigger in caliber than 44 in handguns, claiming the 44 Mag would do any job you could reasonably ask of a handgun. But I still giggle at the thought of him setting down his cigar and leaning against a handy tree to pop a cylinderful of 500's at a distant Ground Squirrel!

 

[M29since14]

I agree with the OP. I feel certain he would have experimented with the .500, but can't say beyond that. Seems unlikely anyone would haul one of those around on a daily basis - even Elmer Keith.

 

[Bakebfr480]

Cool.........a 50 caliber Keith bullet!

 

[mtgianni]

He didn't think much of a Ruger only 45 load.

 

[Texas Star]

He didn't think much of a Ruger only 45 load.

Can you elaborate? I missed that article or column.

He thought quite highly of the basic .45 Colt load, and before the .44 Magnum appeared, said that if he had to rely on factory ammo, he'd probably choose the .45 Colt.

I can see why he'd be wary that a heavily loaded .45 might get into the wrong gun and cause damage.

BTW, he admitted to me that he didn't always use his famous hot loads.

 

[double-dipper]

That question was something I thought about back in 2003 when S&W first introduced the X frame. What would have Elmer thought about the X frame. If he were still alive in 03 he would have been 104 years old.

 

[Farmer17]

If I remember correctly he designed the .44 magnum to fire his 250 grain cast semi wadcutter bullet at about 1250 fps. When Remington actually created the .44 magnum cartridge it was 240 grains JHP at 1450 fps and these were also little harder on the early Smith M29s longevity if a huge amount of ammo was run through them. Elmer seem to always load his slightly less powerful round and indicated it was about the perfect load for everything he shot with it from rattlesnakes to Elk.

 

[HamHands]

He would have loved the 500Mag.. But I think he would still have his preference for the M29 with his "Keith" pills loaded to his specs. It will take down anything in North America from Yeti's (hahaha) to Grizzley's.. Law of diminishing returns and all applies; I love the .460 and .500mag and have shot my share but they are a bit overkill for a sidearm game hunter looking for something to carry for protection or hunt with un-slung while in the woods.

 

[nipperdog]

I have had 3 500 Magnums, and Presently own a 460V. I shot a lot of Steel with the 500s, and just punch paper with the 460 these days. I guess that you would call me a Recoil Junkie. I just like Feeling the Power that these Rounds Generate. I sincerely think that Old Elmer would be Thrilled too

 

[HamHands]

I have had 3 500 Magnums, and Presently own a 460V. I shot a lot of Steel with the 500s, and just punch paper with the 460 these days. I guess that you would call me a Recoil Junkie. I just like Feeling the Power that these Rounds Generate. I sincerely think that Old Elmer would be Thrilled too

You and I are alike in regards to shooting aspects/recoil. I love my 3" M29 and M629's. 300grain Plus, Keith or "Keith Style" pills pushed to close to the max are my favorite for popping steel and woods carry.
I shoot with nicely stitched, svelte, good quality leather gloves 100% of the time. I'm assuming you do too? Because the last time I shot a .460 with some near nuclear loads the webbing in my hand hurt for two damned days!
Nice pic btw!

 

[MTKTM]

The first time I ever picked up a 500 S&W I thought "Elmer Keith would have loved this!"

I suspect he would have been most fond of the John Ross 5" guns with no comp and capable of shooting 700+ grainers.

 

[Echo40]

I honestly doubt it.

Seriously, for all the reputation he has for wanting to push the envelope when it came to hotter loads, by all accounts Elmer Keith seemed satisfied with the .44 Magnum and never said anything to suggest that he desired something hotter.

If anything, I think that he would be more likely to question the practicality of the .500 S&W Magnum, seeing as he seemed adamant that the .44 Magnum was already plenty strong enough to take any game in North America.

Keep in mind, Keith's desire for more powerful handgun cartridges came from the fact that he was a hunter and was dissatisfied with the power of the comparatively weak .38 Special and .45 Long Colt loads of the time.
Contrary to popular belief, Keith didn't create .357 Magnum nor .44 Magnum out of lust for a hard-kicking cartridge, but out of a legitimate need/purpose. Yes, he enjoyed recreational shooting and was enthusiastic about powerful handgun cartridges, but he wasn't the masochistic recoil maniac who intentionally loaded cartridge past the margin of safety just for kicks and giggles that some seem to think he was.