My small collection - future values

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In the past few years, I have put together a small representative collection of S & W guns as I come across them. I have a #1 and (2) #2 Armies, a 38 New Departure that is antique, a 1921 I-frame, a couple 1920's M&P's, and my latest gun is a 35 auto. I am at a crossroads of collecting, I need to thin the overall herd of guns (all the way up to modern guns) but am thinking about keeping my Smiths - what does the group think the future will hold for the value of these?
 
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what does the group think the future will hold for the value of these?

In another thread on collecting revolvers, my thoughts are that most collectors are getting old(me included). A few more years down the road and the youngsters will control the market.

Seems they prefer the new style of auto's more than revolvers.
 
I doubt that your older Smiths, as a group, will appreciate significantly unless they are very nice examples.

Collectors of these very old guns are aging, and shrinking in number.

As the market shrinks, demand and value suffer.
 
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One member has predicted that the value of our older/classic S&W collections will approach zero as baby boomers grow old and die off in large numbers and their heirs sell off those collections into a badly flooded market with very little demand from Gen X, Millennials and Gen Z. :confused: :(

I, of course, disagree. :D
 
I am a little younger than some collectors on here( not a baby boomer) and agree the true antique S&W's along with any that shoot obsolete rounds (32rf,30,25 etc.) are not going to see any huge increase invalue unless they are guns that are in exc condition or better. I have recently come to this conclusion and have been favoring the pre war era guns. So most of my future buying will be concentrated towards more common calibers of today such as 44 mag, 357 mag, 38 spcl, 22lr. I do not see these common offerings going away any time soon. Just my humble opinion on the subject.
 
Years ago I had quite a collection of guns started, mostly semi auto, and I thought they would be an investment in case of really bad times. But I got to thinking if times got bad just who was going to have the money to buy my guns.

I sold off any gun that basically just sat in my safe taking up space. I sold ten but I later bought probably another 10. What I have now are basically keepers because I do at least enjoy shooting them even if I don't carry them.
 
In the past few years, I have put together a small representative collection of S & W guns as I come across them. I have a #1 and (2) #2 Armies, a 38 New Departure that is antique, a 1921 I-frame, a couple 1920's M&P's, and my latest gun is a 35 auto. I am at a crossroads of collecting, I need to thin the overall herd of guns (all the way up to modern guns) but am thinking about keeping my Smiths - what does the group think the future will hold for the value of these?

IMHO, THEY ARE CERTAIN TO INCREASE IN VALUE OVER TIME......
 
I used to have a respectable S&W collection of 130+ revolvers. I sold many of them off some 15-20 years ago ( Mainly because I had met my goals and the "searching and buying" part was more fun the the "having" part for many of them.) The prices I sold most of them at are 1/2 their value today. (But more than I paid.) I still buy/ watch an older S&W wheel gun now and then though. I believe the market / prices peaked some 10 years ago and is now flat or declining slightly depending on the rarity, condition and desirability of the particular gun in question. As others indicate, I doubt that reverses much.

That said, I didn't (and still don't) buy any gun as a financial investment. I buy/ keep them for the enjoyment they give me today.
If I want to make money, I invest in the market.
 
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I've been around long enough to see the gun market in all kind of conditions and periods. The way the media makes it sound, people are born in groups and labeled. Actually I have noticed over the years that people are born everyday, all day long and many younger people appreciate the classic and iconic guns of superior quality.
Even I started out buying mediocre shooter type guns.
 
Having collected a pretty large variety of different guns over the last 50 years, there are some things that should be considered when adding guns, IF your concern is values going up.
Buy guns that have good collector interest today. Highly collectable guns will always go up faster than easy to find, and less valuable guns.
Buy the best condition you can, regardless of what it is. Some extremely rare variations will require you buy whatever comes to you. But in more common guns, buy the finest examples, as they'll go up faster than average examples.
If possible, the guns that are easiest to find or load ammo for, are often the guns with a wider interest. Not all collectors shoot, but if the gun appeals to collectors and shooters, it will be much easier to sell. The finest .25 Stevens chambered gun wont be nearly as easy to sell as any gun chambered in a common, shootable caliber.
But don't let value to your heirs totally dictate your gun buying either. It's supposed to be a hobby first and foremost. So buy things that you love, and if your kids sell them too cheap, or don't care for them, that's their problem; not mine.
 
The one thing that you may not be taking into consideration is that the young folks buying the black plastic guns are just that, young. Perhaps as they get to be our age they will become more interested in the finer things and that could include our fine collections. :rolleyes:
 
I used to have a respectable S&W collection of 130+ revolvers. I sold many of them off some 15-20 years ago . . . The prices I sold most of them at are 1/2 their value today. (But more than I paid.) . . .

That is interesting. I have to say that almost everything I have sold to date has sold for more than I paid originally. I think value appreciation has slowed, but not reversed by any means. I wonder how you state the values are half of what they were, but still got more than you paid? It sounds like you bought something at a specific price that you thought was fair and sold for more than you paid. That is appreciation in my book?? Valuation is not an easy number to come up with and many collectors and sellers inflate their expectations by looking at publications like Blue Book and Standard Catalog of Firearms, and of course some use the asking prices found on many gun sales sites.

Using the sources available over the last 65 years, I found that these old worthless revolvers gained just over 7% annually on average. Of course, there were years where where the values grew at over 10% and others that saw only 3% or so. A heck of a lot better than a bank savings account. Is anyone going to get rich by buying a bunch of old guns and selling them years later? Probably not, plus if you factor in the loss of the dollar's value over time, practically nobody has ever made real gains ever.

As Mark Twain once wrote and I have paraphrased - The rumors about the death of collector gun values are greatly exaggerated. The subject of value loss has been stated after every sizeable value gain of just about everything that has ever gained value over time. When I was much younger, I recall that there were articles about what will happen to WWII gun collections, since no one will want them? A few generations later, the same question emerges from the naysayers. Sure some things have peaked and tanked, but those situations were than collector firearms. Beanie Babies is one edxample, but it was simply the result of the law of supply and demand. Everyone seemed surprised when they found out that instead of a "limited" production run of each beanie baby launched, millions of them were actually being sold, so the market collapsed.

Has the rise of values of vintage firearms slowed in the last 10 years, using Supica Nahas SCSW, the numbers support that trend. Will today's shooters who shoot everything black and made of plastic, ever gain an appreciation for early quality made firearms as they improve their discretionary spending situation with age? I believe they will.
 
Have you seen any 1890's or 1920's S&W's in nice condition not selling at auctions? They sell, and usually at reasonable prices. I'd be more concerned about high capacity mag, semi auto, black firearms over the next 20-30 years. Firearms are NOT investments, they are hobby items that you "normally" can get your money back on and "normally" make a little profit while having enjoyed them for many years.
 
I'd be more concerned about high capacity mag, semi auto, black firearms over the next 20-30 years. Firearms are NOT investments, they are hobby items that you "normally" can get your money back on and "normally" make a little profit while having enjoyed them for many years.

^. ^. This! ^. ^.

H Richard nailed it. And, just collect what YOU like and what you can afford and have fun. For investments see a professional ..... this is a hobby.
 
My collecting interests have evolved over time. Back in my college days, it was 1911 type Colt's. Collection grew to over 30. Then on to NFA registered machine guns. Then M1 Garands and 1903 Springfield. Last year, it was High Standard semi autos. Today, it's S & W . Mostly revolvers, but can't leave out the Model 41's or 39/59 either. The hardest thing to do is learning to let go. I can usually afford to have them all, but never afford to keep them all. And, we can't live forever. Sooner or later someone else will have your prized treasures. Enjoy them while you can. Thanks! Mick
 
A few years back I collected U.S.Military weapons (mainly WW II). I had all of the different manufacturers of carbines and Garands. I am down to one of each now. I had all of the manufacturers of the M1911/A1 family from WWI & WW II (except Singer, of course), now none. Also collected heavy barreled .22 target rifles (still have a few). I am seeing all of these items not selling as well or selling for less. Makes me glad I got out when I did. Now I just have items that I truly prize and enjoy to shoot. Make your money in the stock market, but be careful there too.
 
Nobody can know the future years ago (before my time) you could buy Trapdoor Springfields for hardly nothing now nice ones bring over a thousand. Colt GI 1911 were cheap. Years ago I started a small Mauser collection I had a 1871, 71/84, 88 Commission (stepchild) 91 Calvary carbine Gew 98 and a K98 6 rifles in all I sold them this summer for more than double my investment because I felt the time was right and I wanted a classic truck. Quality antique collector guns will always be a safe investment...Oh a picture of my new pride and joy.
 

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