I hate looking at it from across the river.
Illinois Bans Ivory
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I hate looking at it from across the river.
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One of the happiest days of my life was the last time I saw Illinois in my rear view mirror 23 years ago! That's when I moved to Arizona and have never regretted it for one minute.
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Yep. I've seen that same thing. It's as I said earlier...if there's a way to work around a law, someone's gonna find it and do it. It seems to be human nature.
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You see this as a bad thing? Just curious.
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I think a ban on plastic bags, as used in grocery stores, would be a good thing.
The Romans poisoned themselves with lead pipes. You would think we would be smarter. Round-Up is in everything. It's in that carrot you give to your little girl. Want some coal ash? It ain't hard to find. The ocean is full of dissolved plastic. It's in all the fish you eat. Some things bear changing.
The Romans poisoned themselves with lead pipes. You would think we would be smarter. Round-Up is in everything. It's in that carrot you give to your little girl. Want some coal ash? It ain't hard to find. The ocean is full of dissolved plastic. It's in all the fish you eat. Some things bear changing.
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It's inspiring and comforting that Illinois has courageous leaders willing to take on this serious issue affecting the health, safety, and happiness of all it's citizens.
we moved from Chicago to west TN last year best thing we ever did.
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The ban on ivory and rhino horn products doesn't have one single solitary thing to do with protecting the health, safety, and happiness of Illinois citizens.
In Illinois you have to have a valid FOID card to purchase any firearm. Issued by the state police, it takes about 30 days to apply for and receive. If someone goes off the deep end and looks to legally purchase a firearm to solve their problem, it would take over a month to do so. Now chances are if you already have a FOID card, you've waited 30 days or you probably already own a firearm. What do they think will be accomplished by making you wait three days after purchase to pick up something after already waiting 30 days or you probably already own another of anyways? It only accomplishes one thing in my mind, it discourages out of town sales. If I stop at a shop 200 miles from home, unless it's something I really,really want, I probably won't drive back there three days later if I decide to buy. Will probably hurt the gun show dealers too, with the previous 24 hour wait, they would sell on Saturday and you could come back to the show and pick up on Sunday.
I wonder if they made an exception to the IVORY ELK tooth
From the Bill: ""Ivory"means any tooth or tusk composed of ivory from any animal, including, but not limited to, an elephant, hippopotamus, mammoth, narwhal, walrus, or whale, or any piece thereof, whether raw ivory or worked ivory, or made into, or part of, an ivory product."
From the Bill: ""Ivory"means any tooth or tusk composed of ivory from any animal, including, but not limited to, an elephant, hippopotamus, mammoth, narwhal, walrus, or whale, or any piece thereof, whether raw ivory or worked ivory, or made into, or part of, an ivory product."
Recently NZ Customs seized an antique piano from a persons possessions while moving back from overseas as the piano keys were made of ivory and contravened our import legislation. The owner had to pay to reship it back to the country or origin and then sell it.
As for single use plastic bags, as of today no supermarket is allowed to sell them to take away your groceries. We used to recycle them as rubbish bags, waterproof and you could tie the handles shut before putting them in the rubbish bins for collection.
Karen spent the last few weeks buying as many packs of 100 bags as she could find to last a few years.
But the push now from the "conservationists" is to ban all plastic packaging.
As for single use plastic bags, as of today no supermarket is allowed to sell them to take away your groceries. We used to recycle them as rubbish bags, waterproof and you could tie the handles shut before putting them in the rubbish bins for collection.
Karen spent the last few weeks buying as many packs of 100 bags as she could find to last a few years.
But the push now from the "conservationists" is to ban all plastic packaging.
Yes we do see this as a bad thing, Illinois has long infringed on the rights of law abiding, upstanding citizens, and will now do so with a vengeance,,, but, that's a fact of life for those who own family farms in Central Obamastan...
I love Illinois, I love my Black Dirt, Big Deer, and my family farm tradition, I hate it when a bunch ignorant city slickers try to stop me from exercising my constitutional rights, granted by the Constitution of the United States of America....
and I notice you are from my birthplace, I am an Air Force Brat born at HighSmith Hospital,,, I can tell you for Damn Sure, my old man would be pissed!
Go Air Force!
Yes Sir! yep, and its only gonna get worse!
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Left 56 years ago and never looked back. Don't really care what they do. Some of the biggest crooks in the country. Just before I left some guy, I forget his office? Was to have found BOXES of checks etc. to still be cashed from Auto license renewals etc. I mean BOXES of this stuff. I must be polite musn't I
Left 56 years ago and never looked back. Don't really care what they do. Some of the biggest crooks in the country. Just before I left some guy, I forget his office? Was to have found BOXES of checks etc. to still be cashed from Auto license renewals etc. I mean BOXES of this stuff. I must be polite musn't I
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Even though this is pure thread drift, I'll contribute to it, anyway. More and more states, counties, and cities are banning the use of plastic bags. Some are taxing plastic grocery bags. Most grocery stores in this area have a policy of asking customers if they want paper or plastic.
Humans may finally be getting it through their collective heads that things like plastic bags really aren't biodegradable. People are starting to understand that things like plastic bags pollute our oceans, rivers, and streams. They kill wildlife, especially waterfowl. They're an eyesore and a blight on our environment.
I'm at a loss as to why anyone would think that. No, we are not smarter.
Want to see coal ash? Want to see what it does? Come to North Carolina. Puke Energy (no, that isn't a typo) has done what I consider to be irreparable damage to this state's groundwater and environment by failing to line its coal ash ponds to prevent seepage into groundwater. One small town near me has been having to drink and use bottled water only for years. Their wells are useless to them, even for washing their clothes. Water from their faucets looks like it could've come straight from the Okefenokee Swamp. Puke is losing lawsuit after lawsuit. And they have been ordered to clean up the coal ash ponds. Consequently, Puke Energy is requesting more rate hikes...they want their customers to foot the bill for Puke's criminal acts and subsequent clean up. Seriously. God only knows how many laws and regulations they've circumvented in their nuclear plants.
Well, no it isn't, not really. Because the stuff doesn't dissolve. It'll still be floating around when your great-grandchildren are having kids. Bear changing? Yes, of course. But as long as there's money to be made by big corporations who are major polluters, it isn't going to change in any really significant way.
Do you know how many poor people use these for half a hundred jobs?
From lining garbage cans to actually being the only garbage bag in the house.
You people with good jobs and cars and good lives won't miss the plastic bag but those people who DON'T have much and can't afford as much won't have 30 of those fancy reusable bags.
The intent of these bags is to reduce consumption. People won't buy as much once they realize how many bags they have to carry in.
That is the real intent of the switch FROM plastic. It is to get you to reduce consumption.
You rich folks will just set back on your self righteous behinds and Order your dog food from Amazon Prime or get your other item delivered but poor folk are just getting message to do with less.
Just like French President Macron told Rural French to Carpool after imposing gas taxes. Cuomo will tell NY'ers to just buy less.
I re purpose plastic bags to pickup my dogs waist and carry to a disposal can when we walk ,are we now to use our paper bags or just let it lay it does decompose and add to the soil after it is stepped on .Or we can use pet diapers and throw them in Walmart parking lots like some people do with child diaper.What is your wish preference ?
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Elephant ivory is like kiddy porn - the damage is already done with the stuff you own now, but leaving it legal creates a demand for more.
As long as there is a demand, people will kill elephants until there aren't any more elephants.
People will skirt the law by saying elephant ivory is some other kind of toothy tusky thing, so you have to make those illegal, too. Walruses, mammoths, whatever.
I agree it is largely a symbolic gesture. I'm sure the Chinese are leading the world in elephant ivory door knockers and gear shift knobs.
As long as there is a demand, people will kill elephants until there aren't any more elephants.
People will skirt the law by saying elephant ivory is some other kind of toothy tusky thing, so you have to make those illegal, too. Walruses, mammoths, whatever.
I agree it is largely a symbolic gesture. I'm sure the Chinese are leading the world in elephant ivory door knockers and gear shift knobs.
. . . first of all what does your opinion on plastic have to do with a ban on ivory? I hate to stray from the topics in any given thread, but just cannot resist reaction. Second, how can you make statements like this without adding the basis for your conclusions. You are spreading the Twitter mentality, making factual statements without proof, reflection, without research of the opposing views, and posting them as facts?
There are probably more studies out there today that make the opposite conclusions with studies and research than supporters today. Before you make blanket statements like this, do the research and please look at both sides of the issues unlike the news media, Twitter and other social media outlets. We are getting like robots in the US today, taking all positions and opinions offered today as fact - that is blind faith. German citizens did this in the 1930s as well.
Science 2.0, a UK site summed up the issue quite well, offering a middle road approach to research, plus there is one particularly well done extensive study out there for those with an open mind to read and review. The link is at the bottom.
Investigators who analyzed the published literature have found significant gaps in our understanding of the effects of microplastics--plastic particles less than 5mm in size--in the environment.
In the Environmental Toxicology & Chemistry analysis, the researchers noted that microplastics occur in surface water and sediments and that fragments and fibers predominate, with beads making up only a small proportion of the detected microplastic types. Concentrations detected are orders of magnitude lower than those reported to affect feeding, reproduction, growth, tissue inflammation, and mortality in organisms. The available data suggest that these materials are not causing harm to the environment, but there is a mismatch between the particle types, size ranges, and concentrations of microparticles used in laboratory tests and those measured in the environment. Select environmental regions have also received limited attention.
"There is an urgent need for better quality and more holistic monitoring studies alongside more environmentally realistic effects studies on the particle sizes and material types that are actually in the environment," said co-author Dr. Alistair Boxall, of the University of York, in the UK. "We believe regulations and controls may be focusing on activities that are having only limited impact and ignoring the most polluting activities such as releases of small particles from tyres on our cars."
I grew up living entirely in the age of plastics and am well aware of the advantages of its use. I suffer no ill effects and the only thing I had to worry about as a child was suffocating in the plastic covers offered by Dry Cleaners - or at least that is what I read on the labels! Life expectancy has continued to increase, and there is no cause of death listed as due to microplastics to my knowledge. Plastic has hugely and positively advance out culture, health and well being. A world without any plastic would dramatically and negatively affect the way we live, our health and welfare, not to mention the economy in general. I never considered tossing anything out into the environment and have disdain for those who litter in general. The focus needs to be on disposal and changing human nature if the problem is to be ;lessened. Common sense penalties for those countries who still dump trash into the oceans or illegally dispose of trash, because this is the cause of the problems, not the plastic bags since they are an inanimate object. Kind of like the old adage that guns do not kill, people do.
(PDF) Microplastics in the environment: much ado about nothing? A debate
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my thoughts exactly...
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