crracer_712
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I'll guess .043", we'll see when the gauge arrives.
M&P 15-22 Safety alert from S&W
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I wonder if by using the tool yourself you absolve S&W of further liability should your diagnosis be incorrect . . . ?
Faulkner
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sgtsandman
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I think that might be why they are providing the gauge instead of measurements. It checks or it doesn't with no error. Keeping record of the recall info, gauge being ordered, and pictures of the fit check should cover the end user if S&W tries to push back. I could see them losing court cases over it.
gman51
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I remember reading many years ago about the S&W M&P 15-22 having this problem but I never read that S&W had a safety recall for the problem.
Now S&W finally has a recall for it after all these years gone by. Sure enough my 15-22 I bought over 8 years ago is on the recall list. Looks like I will be calling S&W on Monday.
It would be good to know the depth specs then I could check my bolt myself with my tools.
Thanks for the recall notice.
3-23-2019 Update: Still haven't received my shipping label from S&W for return of my bolt for replacement. Not even an follow up email from S&W about it.
Now S&W finally has a recall for it after all these years gone by. Sure enough my 15-22 I bought over 8 years ago is on the recall list. Looks like I will be calling S&W on Monday.
It would be good to know the depth specs then I could check my bolt myself with my tools.
Thanks for the recall notice.
3-23-2019 Update: Still haven't received my shipping label from S&W for return of my bolt for replacement. Not even an follow up email from S&W about it.
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SgtStone
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thanks for the heads-up.
While not very active on this forum, I try to check in once a month. Thanks for the warning. Lucky I saw these posts.
Yes, thousands of rounds through my MP 15-22. I have noticed anomalies, some of which I reported, some documented on this forum. Have returned the rifle to S&W once before but ordered the gauge for now on the premise that I can check the bolt clearance as needed in the future.
The S&W safety report sounded a lot like public reports surrounding the 'Appleseed incident'; not so much the original event but reports from MP 15-22 owners. Just a thought.
While not very active on this forum, I try to check in once a month. Thanks for the warning. Lucky I saw these posts.
Yes, thousands of rounds through my MP 15-22. I have noticed anomalies, some of which I reported, some documented on this forum. Have returned the rifle to S&W once before but ordered the gauge for now on the premise that I can check the bolt clearance as needed in the future.
The S&W safety report sounded a lot like public reports surrounding the 'Appleseed incident'; not so much the original event but reports from MP 15-22 owners. Just a thought.
tomcatt51
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I called the S&W phone number and talked to someone (friendly but not real knowledgeable) for a while friday. Seems this applies to ALL pre Feb 2109 15-22's. Mine are ~5 or 6 yrs old and they're included. DYX and HBW serial numbers. Couldn't get a rim recess spec. You're gonna send in your bolt assy and they'll send you a replacement. Need an RMA before sending your bolt assy.
Both of my 15-22's have .038" rim recesses. That's TIGHT. I have no doubt they'll be replaced. BUT, they've functioned without issue for 75,000 rds between the two rifles, practice, rimfire challenge, steel challenge, bowling pins, etc. Now I know why I have no bolt face imprint on the barrel face. They never touch...
I'd checked headspace on my Ruger and Volquartsen pistols while I was setting them up but had never checked my 15-22's because they're like the energizer bunny, they've just run and run. At least 'til the firing pin breaks...
Both of my 15-22's have .038" rim recesses. That's TIGHT. I have no doubt they'll be replaced. BUT, they've functioned without issue for 75,000 rds between the two rifles, practice, rimfire challenge, steel challenge, bowling pins, etc. Now I know why I have no bolt face imprint on the barrel face. They never touch...
I'd checked headspace on my Ruger and Volquartsen pistols while I was setting them up but had never checked my 15-22's because they're like the energizer bunny, they've just run and run. At least 'til the firing pin breaks...
CustomChevyGuy
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Thanks for the heads up. I've got countless rounds thru my 15-22, since I purchased new 8+ years ago, but better safer than sorry. Just got back from taking it out to the range today as a matter of fact.
Thanks for the heads up. I've got countless rounds thru my 15-22, since I purchased new 8+ years ago, but better safer than sorry. Just got back from taking it out to the range today as a matter of fact.
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Can't help but wonder if this flows from that Appleseed debacle that everybody debunked at the time . . .
tomcatt51
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Entirely different. The Project Appleseed boys had an OOB issue, mostly after their RSO's worked on guns per their own statements.
Your reading comprehension seems to match your "rifle gunsmithing" skill(s).
Meangene
Member
Awhile back when I was shooting at the range I had a multiple discharge, I didn't know what set it off but it definitely surprised me. I haven't had one since and never gave it another thought, I can't remember the details of what happened because I just shook it off and dismissed it.
But when I read about the recall last night it brought back the time my gun had that multiple fire, like I said I don't know if it was something I did wrong or if it was the gun. Guess I'll order the gague.
But when I read about the recall last night it brought back the time my gun had that multiple fire, like I said I don't know if it was something I did wrong or if it was the gun. Guess I'll order the gague.
roogie
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My HBV is part of it, I'll check it out and order the tool.
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cyphertext
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I thought the same when I first saw the announcement, but after reading it, it is two different situations. The Appleseed issue was that the rifle could fire OOB. This issue, the rifle can fire when the bolt is closed. If this would have been the issue that caused Appleseed to pull the rifle from their lines, I would have agreed.
Ah. I didn't really follow the Appleseed issue much, other than reading the posts here, but I knew it involved the potential for an unintended discharge. Thanks!
(Ordered my tool a couple minutes ago . . . )
Seems kinda mean, seein' as how we've never met . . .
I have 4 or 5 thousand rounds thru mine, with out a problem, but I ordered the gage any way. I doubt that mine has a problem.
Thanks for this.
For all our buddies in the UK and elsewhere, I have no idea how shipping is. If need be, we "colonists" can mic the gauge upon receipt and post the thickness which will allow you to use a depth gauge or feeler gauges. Do you need it converted to metric? 
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