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Smoke said:
The first was in a bar, I was negotiating with a known bad guy to attempt to purchase more time to repay a debt from a smuggling operation gone bad. He brazenly placed his weapon on the table, pointed it right at me, in plain view of the other bar patrons. I played it cool and very carefully and quietly drew under the table from an OC thigh holster. Just before i was sure he was going to fire, I blasted him to pieces. He slumped down onto the table, quite a mess. It was a tough bar, the music only stopped for a moment, then the band continued on playing the same song as if nothing happened. To this day, some people say he fired first, when we all know he never fired a shot.
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It sounds as though you need to find a different line of work, or better movies to watch. Han. ;)
 
This is turning into an interesting thread. Think of all the threads that turn into page after page of discussions on ballistics, penetration, stopping power, criticism of caliber, extra ammo, how many extra clips do you need, carry position, ability to draw fast, single action vs double, revolver vs semi auto, yada yada yada. When in reality, the presence, or perceived presence of a gun is usually all that's necessary.
 
MLA6021 said:
A couple of years ago I was visiting my elderly dad for a few days. He has an attached garage which he leaves the roll up front door to open during warm days to keep it cooler inside. Has all his tools, washer-dryer, workbenches, shelves etc in it. Just at dark I went out to the garage to close it up for him. The lights were off in it and initially I left them off as I could see well enough in there to roll down the door. Just before I did I decide to turn on the light and check out a portable TV he had on the workbench. Plug it in, see if he got it working. While I was messing with the TV I smelled cigarette smoke. Not like someone was smoking, but the smell regular smoker's have on them 24/7. Hair, clothing etc. I looked in the direction of the odor, towards the back of the garage and I saw him. Pressed up against the wall, back to it facing out, eyes closed and as I approached him he was muttering "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please don't hurt me". I'm a retired LEO, and he looked to me to be a doper. Tweaker. Probably went in the garage for a quick theft which I interrupted. I was also a lot bigger than him, but he looked about 10-15 years younger than me. He had his palms out showing he was unarmed. No doubt he was convinced I was armed, even though I wasn't. I was clad in cargo shorts, tank top and flip-flop sandals. Didn't even have my cell phone on me. My S&W 442 was in the house, next to my cellphone on a dresser, lol. I was in total condition green.
We had a stand-off for probably 30 seconds, the entire time I remember thinking to myself I wished I had my gun. As a former cop that was literally my first thought. To take the dude into custody. I decided my best choice of action was to back to the door, get inside, arm myself and call the SO, which I did. Of course the wannabe burglar had hauled butt before I came back out seconds later, armed and with a phone. He disappeared in the darkness of the suburbs.
Deadly force situation? Probably not. If I had the pistol on me initially he would have been looking down the barrel of it and and anything beyond that would have depended on his subsequent actions. This occurred in a state where the castle doctrine exists. Mind you, he looked scared witless, and his body english showed total submission and prior encounters with cops, even though he did not know I had been one.
I was a bit hard on myself later for not being able to take the guy into custody, but heck, I'm simply not going to walk around the house all day with that 442 tucked in my skivvies 24/7. I'm just glad my elderly dad wasn't the one that confronted the bad guy. Most important thing is nobody got hurt.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but you're telling us you got caught flat footed by a criminal in your home but don't see any reason to carry even a small gun at home?
 
I always carry, never had to draw my weapon. I do have a pretty sense about when is a good time to leave. Always pay attention.
 
Three times. Once, when I was physically assaulted while in my car at an intersection. The assailant was a lot bigger than me (and 'roid raging)and he was trying to pull me out of my car window by my throat. I stuck my muzzle in his face and he took off.
The next time was when a couple of young honor students tried to carjack my dad at a car wash. I was under the hood, spraying engine degreaser on the engine of my mom's '62 T Bird. They didn't see me.
The first scholar kept asking my dad specific questions about the car, such as "How much is it worth? How much can I get for it?"I saw his fellow honor student walk into the next bay over from us.
I drew my Makarov and he practically walked into it, when he came out from my end of the wash bay.

The last time was an attempted bike-jacking last year. In the parking lot of the bike shop. I'd gone to get new warm weather riding gloves, since mine were falling apart at the cuffs.
I left the shop and was waiting behind a car, to exit the lot.
Guy who looked as bat guano crazy as AOC approached me, and told (yelled at me) me to give him the em effing bike.
He got just outside arm's reach when backup arrived in the form of a Model 36.
Luckily for all involved, the presence of my EDC served as a cease and desist letter, and I wasn't forced to shoot anyone.
I go about my life, minding my own business and I like to think that it lessens the likelihood of bad situations occurring.
I can and will defend myself, but I still don't like the idea of having to take another person's life. That's a burden I can live without.

Maybe I have unrealistic expectations, but I'd just like for criminals to leave me and mine alone.
If everyone treated everyone else the way they want to be treated, this world would be a much better place.

Any of my statements above that appear to be making light of the situations, are merely my way of dealing with the realization of how badly the situations could have turned out. No offense intended, but until you've been in these situations, you really have no idea how it feels or what you're mentally going to go through at the time. Fearing for your life, and the lives of your loved ones, is not pleasant.
 
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Dorian said:
Good day, with all the people conceal carry today how many have been in a situation, that if you had not had your weapon things would have been completely different or deadly. Thank you
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One thing that I find very interesting is how carrying affects the one carrying. It's been my experience that the transition from not carrying to carrying often makes a person more observant. By being more aware and choosing your situations more carefully, the chances of needing said gun are much less.
 
I only had to show my weapon once one night at a rest stop in Miss . A car drove by stopped and two guys got out and were trying to sneak up both sides of the truck. I turned the on the map light and laid my Model 581 on top of the dash , they retreated back to the car and left
 
Rastoff said:
One thing that I find very interesting is how carrying affects the one carrying. It's been my experience that the transition from not carrying to carrying often makes a person more observant. By being more aware and choosing your situations more carefully, the chances of needing said gun are much less.
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And even a lesser desire to get into a confrontation.
 
So all you guys pulling guns on people, you report this to Police? Imo. If it is that bad a report needs to be made. Should that potential bad guy just be a goof that has an attitude, he calls it in as brandishing or threating with a weapon.
 
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