Nazi Daggers Info Needed (Many pictures added)

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I have 4 different Nazi daggers that I would like to have some information on. I have a lot of pictures. Here are pictures of the first dagger. Pictures of the other 3 daggers are in posts 24, 25, & 28.

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Can't help with value-sold the two that I had many years ago pre-internet, but the two that I had were the same as your pairings. An Army SA dagger and Air Force officer's dagger.(The slender one) (Mine had the two woven silverish balls with it) I had no doubt that mine were legit.
 
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About all I know about Nazi daggers is that there are fakes aplenty, some of them good enough to fool some experts. A picture alone would not be adequate to verify their authenticity or to value them.

Considering that these were brought back from WW II by one of my uncles, I can assure you that they are genuine and not fakes.
 
I posted one I had for sale on Ebay, after about 2 days my account was suspended and I was told that I had violated the rules by posting an offensive object for sale. My knife was taken down but oddly enough 8 others like it were still there. I tried to get an explanation.........tried is as far as I got....something about logarithms.
 
The point here is not to question the veracity of your story or the authenticity of your daggers, for which you have a provenance satisfactory to yourself.

The point is that value depends on being able to establish authenticity for people who didn‘t know your uncle. DWalt‘s point that the market is flooded with reproductions (not necessarily intended to be “fakes”), many of them high-quality post-war German production, does make it necessary that you familiarize yourself with the details.

A couple appear to be military dress daggers. Take a look at this article:

German Army Dress Daggers
 
This isn't my area of collecting, but late last year, I saw two genuine nice SA daggers sell for $800 in the local (ABQ) market. They probably would've sold for more online but the owner of the shop likes to sell to local collectors - who probably flip it online.

The other two luft daggers seem to go for about $150-$200 again in the local market. More if they have the acorn looking portapees and hangers.
 
Why in the world would you admit you even have these??

Personally, I'm completely offended.
 
The point here is not to question the veracity of your story or the authenticity of your daggers, for which you have a provenance satisfactory to yourself.

The point is that value depends on being able to establish authenticity for people who didn't know your uncle. DWalt‘s point that the market is flooded with reproductions (not necessarily intended to be “fakes”), many of them high-quality post-war German production, does make it necessary that you familiarize yourself with the details.

A couple appear to be military dress daggers. Take a look at this article:

German Army Dress Daggers

I looked at a Walther P1 a guy was selling. He didn't know the difference between a P.38 and P1. Given his distress when I made the distinction and the implications, I am fairly certain that he did however genuinely believe it was a WWII bring back like his father said it was.

His father may well have brought a P.38 back, then later sold it, regretted it and bought a P1 to replace it for nostalgia, and attached the bring back story to it.

*IF* it had been a P.38 it would not have been possible to disabuse him of the notion that it was a bring back. But from a value/collector standpoint no one pays for a story, and unless there is authentication in the form of bring back paperwork it's just a story.

I've encountered similar situations with alleged bringback SKS rifles, and the rifle in question was well worn and abused enough that it could have conceivably been legitimate. GIs were allowed to bring back the semi-auto SKS, although how many actually made it back in the original GI's hands is open to question.

On the other hand, there were also a LOT of well used and abused SKS that were imported before import marks were required and the odds were much greater that it was one of those worth about 25% of what the seller was asking. Without paperwork to authenticate the story, it's just a story.

In any case, that authentication hurdle is what you'll have to jump over if you are considering selling and want full value. At a minimum you'll need to have them authenticated by a recognized expert. It won't be fool proof, but it will go along way toward satisfying the buyer they are the genuine articles.
 
Why in the world would you admit you even have these??

Personally, I'm completely offended.

I'm not sure if you are serious or just being sarcastic. It could be read either way.

However, I have to say that while I have a 1918 DWM P.08 and a 1943 P.38 - and I'm not at all opposed to buying weapons like the Mauser 98K, I do draw the line at other nazi paraphernalia and in particular nazo daggers due to their ceremonial/political significance. Post WWII as war trophies, symbolizing the total defeat of nazi Germany they were just that and quite appropriate.

Unfortunately, in today's volatile climate where neo-nazi, alt right, and neo-fascist ideologies are on the rise in the US, I'm morally and ethically compelled to take a much dimmer view of these items, and in particular trading in these items.

If they were mine and were in fact bring backs from my father who fought in WWII, I'd keep them - in a safe, unadvertised, uncelebrated and unglorified as a historical reminder of an era and an ideology we are on the verge of repeating right here in our own country.

And make no mistake repeating that era is a grave insult to the 407,316 American service personnel who were killed, the 671,278 who were wounded and the 16,000,000 who served in order to defeat fascists and militarists in WWII.
 
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Nice collection. True fakes abound but original examples bringing good money from collectors. You have a couple SA Daggers there with the brown scabbards. Others either army or air force dress types. Depending on condition usually sell for $300 on up.
 
Thiokol,
Wonderful family war trophies! I believe the two on the outside are Army Officers daggers. Luftwaffe daggers have a different pommel. Your photos could be better, but I believe the two on the inside are “brown-shirt” SA daggers.

Run of the mill Army daggers in nice shape bring around $500. Nice SA daggers can bring twice that. You really should post close up’s of the blade marking (both sides). I won’t be able to help you any further, but perhaps some of our members can. Early examples and those made by low production makers can bring really big money. I suspect you’re not interested in selling, but it’s nice to know as much as possible about them.


I posted one I had for sale on Ebay, after about 2 days my account was suspended and I was told that I had violated the rules by posting an offensive object for sale. My knife was taken down but oddly enough 8 others like it were still there. I tried to get an explanation.........tried is as far as I got....something about logarithms.
You can sell WWII German items on ebay, but you can’t mention Nazi or post a photo of a swastika. You can identify makers and say that all markings are intact. Serious players for this stuff know what they’re bidding on.

Why in the world would you admit you even have these??

Personally, I'm completely offended.
Perhaps you should rethink your position. It’s not like Thiokol straps on a Nazi uniform and goes goose-stepping at public rallies! :rolleyes:

There’s a world of difference between someone who embraces the Nazi doctrine and someone who possesses historical artifacts.
These are captured enemy war items brought back by one of his relatives. The brave men who fought to rid the world of the Axis powers collected and treasured these trophies and they would roll over in their graves it they knew they were destroyed over misguided principle.

Tyrannical regimes destroy items that don’t support their ideology, burn books and try to rewrite history. That’s nothing more than ignorance and oppression. The past offers us valuable lessons for the future and these artifacts make it that much more real.
 
I'm not sure if you are serious or just being sarcastic. It could be read either way.
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I did read it as an attempt at sarcasm, but be that as it may, the field of collecting Nazi “memorabilia” does indeed have a much higher percentage of unsavory characters mixed in with historically interested collectors than other subjects.

These Nazi daggers as war bringbacks, spoils of your uncle’s war and the defeat of the regime they represented, are nothing to be shy about. Neither are guns of the Nazi era; although I won’t own any for personal reasons, I study them, friends have them and I’m happy to discuss them.

When you get to the guys who sell reproduction brown shirts and swastika flags, things get iffy. Nazi knives are a big thing with that crowd.

And even with real historical items, you do have to wonder about the mental state and sexual hang-ups of the “collector” who paid $5000 for Eva Braun’s underpants last year ;)


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Gunboards board has an edged weapons forum that will likely know all about the daggers. Need closer, individual photos though.
 
I’m not into daggers and such but sold one like the two in middle of OPs post for $200. Sold at show to a guy with German WW2 display. I had no doubt it was real and neither did he. He most likely skinned me a little or he wouldn’t have bought it. I don’t buy items I know nothing about so if I get such an item I got nothing in it as misc items on bigger deal.
 
For all I know my Mosin may have been used by NKVD for purposes as evil as anything that went on in Germany. Anybody suggesting I should cut it up and throw it away because it has Soviet Communist markings on it?
 
I do think these are interesting reminders of world history. I personally have no desire to possess items like these. But I would have no problem selling them or better yet donating or loaning them to a holocaust museum. Just my 2 cents for whatever it's worth.
 
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When you get to the guys who sell reproduction brown shirts and swastika flags, things get iffy. Nazi knives are a big thing with that crowd.

And even with real historical items, you do have to wonder about the mental state and sexual hang-ups of the “collector” who paid $5000 for Eva Braun’s underpants last year ;)


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