Another "offended" person.

[JJEH]

Okay guys... I get it.... we've got a lot going on as a country and as individuals.... political things, economy struggling, 401's struggling, personal things.... our patience runs short and everyone's fuse is about to blow.

But we are a civil society and we LIVE IN THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, don't ever forget that!!! Take it from a guy who left his birth country to live here, to become an American citizen and to live the American dream!!! I am a free man!!!

We are able to agree to disagree, this is what makes it so great and diverse. Different people, different backgrounds, upbringing, experience, knowledge, etc.

But there's a few things that we all share. Our love for this Great Country and our love for guns and the shooting sport.

I saw a lot of Nazi history when I grew up there, it's everywhere if you know where to look. When I was in the service our P38 pistols still had the Hakenkreuz engraved on the frame, it was just scratched out. We laughed and thought it was funny... these guns still work... it didn't make us Nazi supporters.

I don't have a need or reason to collect Nazi memorabilia unless it would have been handed down to me by my grand fathers. Both of them served in WWII and they did not bring home any "souveniers" for I am glad they came home alive and in one piece!

If someone collects Nazi memorabilia then look at it from a collectors standpoint. That doesn't mean the collector automatically supports the Third Reich.

Instead of getting offended Dougaz why don't you ask for the reason why he's collecting it? That would help you understand. And again, if you still don't agree we all can at least agree to disagree.

On the same token, you (Dougaz) said you are offended but you did not demand the deletion or the locking of this thread. So you don't fall into that category of people that demand change because their feelings are hurt. That's good.

Come on guys.... not worth it. We all collect something.... that doesn't make us better or worse that the person next to us

 

[pawngal]

I saw nothing to be offended about in that thread. The forum owner and at least one other moderator posted in it. That alone should end this discussion.

Next..............

 

[Burley]

That collection was very impressive and I'm sure roused emotion.

each and every new thread here has that, "look at me", post from some guy that just can't help but somehow make it about him. Offended guy even came back with the whole collecting human remains thing. You get an idea where his head is.

Ignore feature will cut down seeing the, "look at me", boy's posts.

 

[wheelgun28]

I saw nothing to be offended about in that thread. The forum owner and at least one other moderator posted in it. That alone should end this discussion.

Next..............

OH YEAH, well, I am offended that your not offended at his offence of something that I didn't think was offensive in the first place.

See everyone can be offended now...

 

[LCC]

A deadly global pandemic, a cratered economy, and a deeply polarizing national election. Whether we consciously acknowledge it or not we're all carrying a tremendous load, with many stressed to the max. If ever there was a time for a thicker skin, and more forgiveness for the over reaction of others, and ourselves, it would be now.

 

[Rule3]

I had to quote this from the other thread from S&WChad


Seems there is a correlation with what is going on in this Country today! Sad, but I believe it is happening. Some are trying to erase the past in many ways.

"Tyrannical regimes destroy items that don’t support their ideology, burn books and try to rewrite history. That’s nothing more than ignorance and oppression. The past offers us valuable lessons for the future and these artifacts make it that much more real.

"

 

[s&wchad]

I saw nothing to be offended about in that thread. The forum owner and at least one other moderator posted in it. That alone should end this discussion.

Next..............

Thank you!

We try to keep this board as civil as possible, but it’s impossible to please everyone. The staff has previously considered the sale and discussion of Nazi war trophies and the decision was made to allow it.

The OP who asked about his uncles bring-back daggers previously served 10 years as a moderator on this board. He helped train me when I first came onboard. I can unequivocally say that he is not a Nazi sympathizer.

Here’s a little tip that should improve your quality of life and help keep your blood pressure down: Ignore topics that you don’t like. If you don’t like seeing photos of dead game animals, avoid hunting threads. If you’re not a fan of modern military style rifles, ignore threads discussing them. If the sight of Nazi daggers bothers you, don’t click on a thread titled, Nazi Daggers Info Needed. See how easy that is!

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

Just beware, I am offended by Lugers on Tuesday because they make me jealous, on Wednesday, I am offended by pictures of Browning High Powers since I do not have one (yet), Likewise on Thursday, pictures of S&W 1076s will set me off with jealousy, on Friday, any reference to a Model 17 or 617 will remind me of losing my best job ever and trying to come up with $700 in gun cash since then, I take Saturday, Sunday and Monday off from being offended. Just so you all know, and now everyone can pander to my chosen sensitivities. ;-)

We cannot rewrite history by pretending it did not happen.

 

[Absalom]

If the sight of Nazi daggers bothers you, don’t click on a thread titled, Nazi Daggers Info Needed. See how easy that is!

Absolutely. But let me add another helpful hint:

If someone’s comments in a thread bother you, either join the discussion or ignore it.

Don’t start another thread just to tell everyone how offended you are by somebody else being too easily offended about something

 

[Mule Packer]

C'mon folks. Let's face facts. Some people will gripe even if they're hung with a new rope!

 

[JH1951]

With the referenced "Freedom of Speech", yes, it is a fact that we are all granted that. Please note that our freedoms carry with them "responsibility" as well. We are responsible to use our heads when exercising our freedoms. A very great many people gave their lives to protect the freedoms that we Americans hold dear. One of the best ways to honor these heroes is to recognize that freedom of speech is a right, but it also carries responsibility. We can all say almost anything anywhere that we please. But, does this freedom give us the right to insult or condemn other people? The fact is, yes it does. But, we are charged with the responsibility to ask ourselves if it is the right or worthy thing to do and what improvement does it bring to the human cause. We are also charged with the responsibility of dealing with the consequences of our words. The phrase "Just sayin'" doesn't absolve your responsibility to do so. A critical person should be prepared to deal with criticism. Many adults understand that; some do not. Let's all exercise our right to leave the room, change the channel, or associate with those that we choose. If the conversation does not suit us, why not find one that does versus stirring up the pot, unless of course, that's your purpose. And if that is your reason for being, there is a lonely future ahead.
The folks on this Forum have a unique way of dealing with problems in a civil manner and policing the ranks. Let's not destroy that because of "feelings".

 

[Ziggy2525]

I AM TOTALLY OFFENDED - (what are we talking about??)

 

[handejector]

I'm offended by pics of late 19th century U.S. cavalry sabres because they represent the oppression/annihilation of Native Americans.


I'm offended by pics of AR-15s because one was used in that horrible school massacre. Don't we need to wonder about anyone who would want to own one of those evil things?


I'm offended by rope. Ropes were used in lynchings. I'm currently boycotting my local hardware store because they refused to quit selling rope. Imagine the evil glee in some people's eye when they gaze upon that coil of hemp.


I'm offended by airplane pics because of 9/11. Airplanes should be outlawed to make us safer and take away those horrible memories.


Thanks for letting me vent. I'll get on with my life now.

 

[Absalom]

C'mon folks. Let's face facts. Some people will gripe even if they're hung with a new rope!

 

[Thiokol]

I'm the person that posted the pictures of the daggers. And, just to be perfectly clear, I am not now, nor have I ever been, nor will I ever be, a collector of Nazi memorabilia. Nor, do I in any way support that abhorrent regime and anything that they stood for.

The simple fact is that these daggers are WW II bring backs that were handed down by a relative. I know absolutely nothing about them. And, to be perfectly honest, they are going to be up for sale at some point in time because I have absolutely no use for them. I was simply attempting to gather information about them so that they could eventually be priced accurately. But, given that my post has created a firestorm, they will not be posted for sale on this forum.

 

[Justin T]

I guess Nazi stuff (and Japanese stuff), as legitimate war souvenirs, have a different meaning to me. These items ceased being about the original subject the moment a soldier stuffed them into a pack or a pocket, and began a new life as a symbol or reminder of something else. Something known to the soldier, or the people who become caretakers of his effects. Maybe just a token to be won or lost in a poker game. Maybe something to be modified later to make a more suitable hunting tool. Maybe a reminder of what it took to bring that guy to that moment in time, or a reminder of a particularly bad day. But whatever meaning we are assigning to it, it’s not the fault of the object. It’s just an object.

Be glad nobody’s asking opinions about japanese skulls that were decorated and sent home to sit in the vet’s closet or basement. That was a real thing.

I’m glad we are all in a position to appreciate the fact that we can all have an opinion on this subject.

 

[Deceasedeye]

Seinfeld's mother was offended because Jerry and his girlfriend were smooching during Schindler's List.

 

[Turq]

Thank you!

We try to keep this board as civil as possible, but it’s impossible to please everyone. The staff has previously considered the sale and discussion of Nazi war trophies and the decision was made to allow it.

I don't blame the OP for wanting to find out more information about legitimate war artifacts. Even being from the Nazi regime.

I, without having any background information at all about the person who was offended, also don't blame him for being offended. Perhaps he has relatives who were part of the 6 million exterminated. Perhaps just the sight of the Nazi symbol on a dagger upsets him, either way it's understandable.

The fact that the Moderators saw it as a subject worthy of discussion, as to whether to allow it or not, tells me it's not such a cut and dried, one size fits all situation.

Having said all that, I don't think the offended should have clicked on the link in the first place. Nor do I think the the OP on this thread should have started a new thread calling someone out, especially for not knowing his reasons why.

 

[deadin]

Years ago our local collectors fraternity had a member that had a massive (and impressive) Nazi memorabilia collection that he would display parts of at the local gun shows.

However, I felt he slightly stepped over the line when he showed up in full SS uniform.....

One of the downsides was that the show was being held in a local civic center and down the hall there was a B'nai B'rith meeting at the same time. Ended up that we were asked to not to come back and to find a different meeting hall...

 

[wheelgun28]

So now I am offended, ok maybe just feel bad that Thiokol wont list the items he wishes to sell on this forum. To me its pressure from someone being a bully!

I think thats total BS.

No I dont collect that stuff and have no interest in it. Still it doesnt burn my eyes seeing it.

Our familiy had a friend was a pretty big collector of that stuff, he is Jewish...