Should very large handgun magazines be heavily regulated

[Waldo]

1. I wasn't engaged in getting any of the good laws we enjoy now in any way.
2. Sure. None involve unlimited access to firearms.

I am not in any way surprised. I think you and I are on totally different wavelengths on this. Instead of talking to each other, we might as well be talking to trees.
If we eventually lose this battle and the police come knocking at your children or grandchildren's door to take them to the re-education camps, because they still have some of your guns, it will be partially the fault of gun owners like you. I know that sounds extreme. I have a friend whose late father left Germany and came to this country in the late 1930s. He said everyone thought he was paranoid. But when he went back after the war, nobody thought he was paranoid.

 

[ladder13]

I was watching Barrett Jackson last night. This guy Pitbull comes on, he's sold tens of millions of albums, I heard of him but didn't know anything about him.
He is the son of Cuban immigrants.

He put up one of his cars to support Operation Homefront. I believe a 61 Impala convertible.

All the time he spent on the podium, every second, was to praise America and warn us about the threats we face from within.

I'm proud to call him an American.

 

[BC38]

1. I wasn't engaged in getting any of the good laws we enjoy now in any way.
2. Sure. None involve unlimited access to firearms.

"The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defense, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute . . . and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression.

To vindicate the three primary rights, when actually violated or attacked, the subjects of England are entitled, in the first place, to the regular administration and free course of justice in the courts of law; next, to the right of petitioning the king and parliament for redress of grievances; and, lastly, to the right of having and using arms for self-preservation and defence." - William Blackstone, 1765

It's worth noting, though, that another English philosopher, Jeremy Bentham, a contemporary of Locke, Blackstone, Hobbes and others, thought the whole notion of 'natural rights' was "...nonsense on stilts."

LOL, Bentham no doubt believed in the Divine right of Kings to rule. There were plenty of other subjects of the crown who agreed - we even had some of them here. They were called "Tories".

Quoting or siding with them or those of their ilk may make you look smart to a Brit, but won't get you far here in America.

 

[biku324]

Hmmm...then our Founders were NOT British subjects who rebelled and who took both huge swaths of English jurisprudence and (English) Enlightenment Era philosophies directly into the Declaration of Independence and both the Articles of Confederation and later Constitution? Check your history.

Easy examples are our common-law jurisprendence system (huge example), bi-cameral national legislature (huge example), and sheriffs (tiny example).

To know where you're going you need to know where you've been.

 

[biku324]

1. I wasn't engaged in getting any of the good laws we enjoy now in any way.
2. Sure. None involve unlimited access to firearms.

I am not in way surprised. I think you and I are on totally different wavelengths on this. Instead of talking to each other, we might as well be talking to trees.
If we eventually lose this battle and the police come knocking at your children or grandchildren's door to take them to the re-education camps, because they still have some of your guns, it will be partially the fault of gun owners like you. I know that sounds extreme. I have a friend whose late father left Germany and came to this country in the late 1930s. He said everyone thought he was paranoid. But when he went back after the war, nobody thought he was paranoid.

That's pretty dramatic for a discussion on extra-capacity mags.

 

[kmyers]

That's pretty dramatic for a discussion on extra-capacity mags.

It may be dramatic specifically on magazines but not dramatic concerning the US government and how it views the residents of the country. Even side stepping the entire "If you think you can trust the government talk to Indians." argument just note how many times the government has conducted experiments on citizens. Exposing soldiers to atomic bomb blasts decades ago. Using military personnel and equipment against citizens in the Bonus Army incident. Using military personnel and equipment during the Battle of Blair Mountain. I can imagine government officials using the phrase it was for the greater good for so many things where everybody lived happily ever after.

 

[biku324]

Sorry, I won't join USG bashing. I've seen nothing better in Asia, the Middle East, or Europe. Has bad stuff happened? You bet - but only in democratic countries do you ever find out about it; only democratic countries can the majority vote scoundrels out.

But that's a different matter than extra-capacity mags.

 

[Waldo]

That's pretty dramatic for a discussion on extra-capacity mags.

I think this pretty much sums up my feelings on this=

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

 

[BC38]

Hmmm...then our Founders were NOT British subjects who rebelled and who took both huge swaths of English jurisprudence and (English) Enlightenment Era philosophies directly into the Declaration of Independence and both the Articles of Confederation and later Constitution? Check your history.

Easy examples are our common-law jurisprendence system (huge example), bi-cameral national legislature (huge example), and sheriffs (tiny example).

To know where you're going you need to know where you've been.

The operative phrase is "were FORMER British SUBJECTS". While they certainly adopted SOME of the philosophy of their day, they explicitly rejected the "Divine right of kings to rule". The opening line of the Declaration of Independence is diametrically opposed to the notion that natural rights are "nonsense on stilts".
I think you are confused about who needs to better understand our history.
Or are you intentionally playing the fool simply for the sake of continuing the argument?

 

[Chubbo]

In answer to your question; NO!

I believe; There are good uses for high-capacity magazines. Conversely, there is no good use, for people that misuse high-capacity magazines.

When a bit of logic is induced into the debate, the answer to the question, is readily apparent.

The criminals, not the useful, High-capacity magazines, should be highly regulated.

I don't intend this politically; l go one step further. I believe that criminals, convicted of capital crimes, should be eradicated, to protect law-abiding citizens.

 

[Mistered]

One more time for Biku324 (in case he missed it the first time)

If a mag restriction WERE put into place would you want it to include all existing mags owned and in possession (which would include a NLT turn in date) OR would you be ok with a 'grandfather' clause which would allow existing mags to be kept by the owners?

 

[medic15al]

Gangbangers love high capacity handgun mags (20 rounds plus).

So do law abiding gun owners... What's your point?

 

[quikdraw67]

Gun control advocates are like the Terminator. Remember Kyle Reese's lines in the movie? About you can't reason with it. It will keep coming after you relentlessly until you are dead.

Or if you're a Star Trek fan, in the words of the Borg, "Resistance is futile ".


THIS IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. THE ANTIS WILL NOT STOP UNTIL OUR RIGHTS AND GUNS ARE GONE. MAG RESTRICTIONS ARE A STEP ON THAT PATH. WHAT PART OF NO DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???.

 

[WCCPHD]

Gun control advocates are like the Terminator. Remember Kyle Reese's lines in the movie? About you can't reason with itm It will keep coming after you relentlessly until you are dead.

Or if you're a Star Trek fan, in the words of the Borg, "Resistance is futile ".


THIS IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. THE ANTIS WILL NOT STOP UNTIL OUR RIGHTS AND GUNS ARE GONE. MAG RESTRICTIONS ARE A STEP ON THAT PATH. WHAT PART OF NO DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???.

GUN CONTROL IS NOT ABOUT GUNS, ITS ABOUT CONTROL.

 

[crstrode]

1. I wasn't engaged in getting any of the good laws we enjoy now in any way.

Yup. Adolf Eichmann was merely following orders as well.

 

[ladder13]

I could care less about what Europe has to say or how they operate.

 

[crstrode]

The operative phrase is "were FORMER British SUBJECTS". While they certainly adopted SOME of the philosophy of their day, they explicitly rejected the "Divine right of kings to rule". The opening line of the Declaration of Independence is diametrically opposed to the notion that natural rights are "nonsense on stilts".
I think you are confused about who needs to better understand our history.
Or are you intentionally playing the fool simply for the sake of continuing the argument?

A genuine fool is ill-equipped to "play the fool".

 

[biku324]

So do law abiding gun owners... What's your point?

Just got back from church and a fellowship meal - I wasn't avoiding you.

And yet I have never, ever seen a 30-40 round pistol mag or 40, 50+ round AR/AK/SKS mag anywhere except in one gun store in Albuquerque and in the possession of many, many gangbangers arrested in cars, their homes, or other places when making arrests and serving warrants. Maybe I just shoot at the wrong ranges.

The first of the above mags I ever encountered was with an Aguirre cartel member on our border with Mexico.

Did I mention I've never seen one being used or even the possession of a law-abiding gunowner? And I've been to a couple county and state fairs...

 

[biku324]

Gun control advocates are like the Terminator. Remember Kyle Reese's lines in the movie? About you can't reason with it. It will keep coming after you relentlessly until you are dead.

Or if you're a Star Trek fan, in the words of the Borg, "Resistance is futile ".


THIS IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. THE ANTIS WILL NOT STOP UNTIL OUR RIGHTS AND GUNS ARE GONE. MAG RESTRICTIONS ARE A STEP ON THAT PATH. WHAT PART OF NO DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???.

I understand the argument - I just don't believe it.

 

[biku324]

I could care less about what Europe has to say or how they operate.

Nor do I. I do care about history and how we came to have the system of government we have now - when Bentham, Locke, Hobbes, Blackstone, and other of the great Enlightenment Era thinkers our Founding Fathers studied were building the tenets of freedom and democracy, they were in Europe and Great Britain - we were far-flung colonies.

Thank God our forebearers armed themselves with knowledge first.