Govt is going after the low hanging fruit-this time ghost guns

[1BadSmith]

It's clear I'm wasting my time trying to show you that 80% guns are indeed showing up by the thousands at crime scenes nationwide, because you'll just claim "fake news" and "talking points" for literally anything I post that triggers your cognitive dissidence.

As you have no intention of showing literally anything backing up your point of view, I have this to say: Goodbye.

I say: Hello!! Could you please provide a link to where the ghost guns are "...showing up by the thousands"... I mean aren't silencers used in almost all crimes? Isn't that why they are so heavily regulated? I wonder how laptops are regulated? Seems to me the serial number must be hard to trace, or Pres. Joe's son wouldn't be so humiliated if he knew where it was. These ghost laptops are being used all over the country for high crimes!!!

 

[luvsmiths]

Speaking of CT, I sent in my non resident renewal two months ago. Two previous renewals took a couple weeks at most.
They haven't even cashed my check.
Do I really need it? Probably not, I rarely go that way anymore but thought I would just renew again in case. Cheap enough.

Maybe they're not too keen on issuing NR licenses anymore. No one can help in Middletown other than to say they're backed up.

If they are backed up, it's because no one works. Last I knew it could take two days to get through to get an authorization. Perpetual busy signal. They probably sit there drinking coffee and laugh at the phones ringing. ( all those yahoo's trying to buy guns) And when they do pick up, you'll be talking to some of the most miserable sounding women on the planet.

No one in Middletown cares. Thats where they answer the calls too, ( when they feel like it) for the authorizations.
(DPS- Middletown) Maybe it got easier over the months, I don't know.
They seem to get done what they WANT to though. You were smart to get away from the Northeast. I'm tied here now, and probably never will. It got to be a miserable place, with even more miserable people.

 

[ladder13]

If they are backed up, it's because no one works. Last I knew it could take two days to get through to get an authorization. Perpetual busy signal. They probably sit there drinking coffee and laugh at the phones ringing. ( all those yahoo's trying to buy guns) And when they do pick up, you'll be talking to some of the most miserable sounding women on the planet.

No one in Middletown cares. Thats where they answer the calls too, ( when they feel like it) for the authorizations.
(DPS- Middletown) Maybe it got easier over the months, I don't know.
They seem to get done what they WANT to though. You were smart to get away from the Northeast. I'm tied here now, and probably never will. It got to be a miserable place, with even more miserable people.

I'm not calling again. They're just messing up my checkbook.

 

[biku324]

I say: Hello!! Could you please provide a link to where the ghost guns are "...showing up by the thousands"... !

Until police departments post complete evidence storage inventories online you will never get this info.

That means you'll never get this info online.

 

[mh51]

Part of this requires FFL dealers to send in all 4473's dating back to 2002 to the ATF. The 4473 is the form you fill out at the time of purchase for the background check, and has all of your info and the firearm info on it. With those, the ATF can easily begin a gun registry from the last 20 years!
Gun registration has begun!

 

[drumminor2nd]

I say: Hello!! Could you please provide a link to where the ghost guns are "...showing up by the thousands"... I mean aren't silencers used in almost all crimes? Isn't that why they are so heavily regulated? I wonder how laptops are regulated? Seems to me the serial number must be hard to trace, or little Joey's son wouldn't be so humiliated if he knew where it was. These ghost laptops are being used all over the country for high crimes!!!

I did. Quit acting like a child.

 

[Duckford]

I guess I'm in the "gun owner minority." I'm just sort of fed up with our side and the things we seem to believe.

All of this stuff, bump stocks, ghost guns (or whatever you want to call them), arm brace AR "handguns", l just don't get it. Just we just want them because we can? We like playing Rambo?

I really question why such things exist. I guess I understand "need" has nothing to do with it, but I'm seriously getting sick of trying to justify such things.

Start boiling tar and plucking chickens.

Because the 2nd Amendment has zero to do with owning a squirrel rifle to take to the gravel pit to plink cans with.

It is tied directly to the unorganized militia and the duty to serve the country, and how the founding fathers wanted the internal balance of military power in the country, and as a last ditch defense against an out of control State.

A machine gun should be more protected by the 2nd Amendment than an air rifle for shooting rats. To not have a proper rifle for potential service, no matter how unlikely to be called to bear your weapon for militia service, means YOU are not honoring your duty and part of the 2nd Amendment.

As for the "compromise" crowd, that has been tried. People are finally waking up to the point that the barbarians aren't just taking a few tributes and going away to leave you alone. They are realizing they are just stealing everything, right by right, piece by piece, until you surrender everything you ever had without a fight, on the foolish notion that compromise will allow you to keep at least something. Gun control is progressive, will always come back and ask you for "just a little more" until they take away everything.

The only way to stop the unreasonable march against rights and property is to quit cooperating with those with no intent to leave you alone until they take everything. They carry a black flag behind their fake olive branch, and it is high time to realize that resisting every time, every day, every instant, is the only path forward.

Don't let them take even an inch anymore. Fight them in courts and refuse to concede even a single point against such an unreasonable, and devious and dishonest, opponent.

 

[kbm6893]

Because the 2nd Amendment has zero to do with owning a squirrel rifle to take to the gravel pit to plink cans with.

It is tied directly to the unorganized militia and the duty to serve the country, and how the founding fathers wanted the internal balance of military power in the country, and as a last ditch defense against an out of control State.

A machine gun should be more protected by the 2nd Amendment than an air rifle for shooting rats. To not have a proper rifle for potential service, no matter how unlikely to be called to bear your weapon for militia service, means YOU are not honoring your duty and part of the 2nd Amendment.

As for the "compromise" crowd, that has been tried. People are finally waking up to the point that the barbarians aren't just taking a few tributes and going away to leave you alone. They are realizing they are just stealing everything, right by right, piece by piece, until you surrender everything you ever had without a fight, on the foolish notion that compromise will allow you to keep at least something. Gun control is progressive, will always come back and ask you for "just a little more" until they take away everything.

The only way to stop the unreasonable march against rights and property is to quit cooperating with those with no intent to leave you alone until they take everything. They carry a black flag behind their fake olive branch, and it is high time to realize that resisting every time, every day, every instant, is the only path forward.

Don't let them take even an inch anymore. Fight them in courts and refuse to concede even a single point against such an unreasonable, and devious and dishonest, opponent.

Many of the thousands of gun laws on the books are totally unreasonable. Fully auto, bump stocks, Ghost guns, and pistol braces are not among them. Frankly, I think energy would be better spent fighting other fights. This 30 year gun owner would rather see state reciprocity than the ability to own a Ghost gun. It's a losing battle. A lawful carrier of a handgun in PA becomes a felon if he steps over a line to buy gas in NJ. Middle of the road people can see that is stupid and a violation of a person's right. Even my rabid anti-gun sister in law thinks that one is stupid.

Ghost guns will be gone. Just like bump stocks. I won't miss them at all.

 

[Bozz10mm]

Many of the thousands of gun laws on the books are totally unreasonable. Fully auto, bump stocks, Ghost guns, and pistol braces are not among them.
Ghost guns will be gone. Just like bump stocks. I won't miss them at all.

So anything you personally don't want to own should be banned.

 

[Patrick L]

Duckford,

If you think the bozos that scream for their rights to own bump stocks, full autos, ghost guns, etc. are in any way concerned with the workings of our government and are interested in the Second Amendment's purpose of protecting us from our own government, you're mistaken. I get that is the intent of the Second Amendment, but you'll not convince me that Bubba is that passionate about constitutional law.

 

[kbm6893]

So anything you personally don't want to own should be banned.

No. Any item that was expressly created to get around existing laws, should be banned. Bump stocks were created to get around the full auto restrictions. Pistol braces were designed so disabled people can fire a weapon? Please! A visit to youtube shows hundreds of people shouldering them, and I've seen it done plenty of times in person. Ghost guns were created so a weapon can be manufactured without a record or a background check. What legitimate person would assemble a Ghost gun and holster and carry that weapon for self defense? Don't start in on the "some people can't afford a Glock". Used guns can be bought for not much more than a Ghost gun. I won't even carry a Hi-Point or a Taurus. I'm gonna carry a Polymer 80? No thanks.

 

[AlHunt]

Many of the thousands of gun laws on the books are totally unreasonable. Fully auto, bump stocks, Ghost guns, and pistol braces are not among them. Frankly, I think energy would be better spent fighting other fights. This 30 year gun owner would rather see state reciprocity than the ability to own a Ghost gun. It's a losing battle. A lawful carrier of a handgun in PA becomes a felon if he steps over a line to buy gas in NJ. Middle of the road people can see that is stupid and a violation of a person's right. Even my rabid anti-gun sister in law thinks that one is stupid.

Ghost guns will be gone. Just like bump stocks. I won't miss them at all.

It has always been legal for a person to make their own firearm. Just because that's recently been made easier is no reason to take it away.

Criminals commit crimes. Make one crime harder, they'll also go for the low hanging fruit and commit easier crimes.

The path for the gun control crowd ends at "ban and confiscate". Any ground ceded to them is another paver in the path.

Furthermore, pistol braces are a red herring and just a way to complicate gun ownership. There really isn't anything a person can do with a 7" AR that can't be done with a 16" barrel.

 

[kbm6893]

It has always been legal for a person to make their own firearm. Just because that's recently been made easier is no reason to take it away.

Criminals commit crimes. Make one crime harder, they'll also go for the low hanging fruit and commit easier crimes.

The path for the gun control crowd ends at "ban and confiscate". Any ground ceded to them is another paver in the path.

Furthermore, pistol braces are a red herring and just a way to complicate gun ownership. There really isn't anything a person can do with a 7" AR that can't be done with a 16" barrel.

The one thing you can do with a 7" AR barrel is conceal it much easier, which is the attraction and the reason for the law being written. If they don't accomplish anything a 16" barrel does, why do so many have them? And why did pistol braces become so popular? I've seen many people shouldering them and using them as SBR, which is what 99% of those who have them do with them.

Yeah, it was legal to make your firearm. A skilled person with the proper tools, and nobody did it. Now you can buy the pre-assembled parts and put it together, and anybody can do it. Homemade guns weren't a problem before. Now they are becoming one. I have zero problem with them going away.

 

[AlHunt]

The one thing you can do with a 7" AR barrel is conceal it much easier, which is the attraction and the reason for the law being written

Handguns are easier to conceal than rifles. So, should we ban handguns? A Glock 17 in the waistband and a few mags in the back pocket is as much mayhem on tap as a 7" AR and a 30 round mag.

Why do people want them? The forbidden fruit. I don't care for ARs and certainly wouldn't have one today, were it not for gun control advocates screaming about taking them away.

Yeah, it was legal to make your firearm. A skilled person with the proper tools, and nobody did it.

No, it IS legal to make your own firearm. Are you suggesting that only things beyond the skill set of the average person should be legal?

Which stepping stone on the path to a total ban is a step too far?

 

[326MOD10]

Bottom line is we live in a Republic and those elected to make the rules get that privilege. We don't all agree on most of those rules.

But the action has been taken and unless you want to be a criminal you will abide by it while it is in effect. If you want to be a criminal that is your choice but I don't think many of us think criminals should be able to possess firearms.

But, I am sure that opinion can change if it fits the narrative.

 

[Paul in Nevada]

Bottom line is we live in a Republic and those elected to make the rules get that privilege. We don't all agree on most of those rules.

But the action has been taken and unless you want to be a criminal you will abide by it while it is in effect. If you want to be a criminal that is your choice but I don't think many of us think criminals should be able to possess firearms.

But, I am sure that opinion can change if it fits the narrative.

That's not what living in a republic means. When the Executive creates laws by fiat it's a dictatorship. It's even worse when there is reasonable doubt as to the legitimacy of the Executive and some of the Legislators who are supposed to serve as a check to his power.

 

[vt_shooter]

Once 80% lowers need to be registered, then it'll be 70% lowers. Then 50%'s, then a simple block of aluminum. Perhaps afterwards thoughts themselves will need to be registered.

 

[AlHunt]

Bottom line is we live in a Republic and those elected to make the rules get that privilege. We don't all agree on most of those rules.

But the action has been taken and unless you want to be a criminal you will abide by it while it is in effect. If you want to be a criminal that is your choice but I don't think many of us think criminals should be able to possess firearms.

But, I am sure that opinion can change if it fits the narrative.

Exactly the point - this isn't "legislation" - it's an Executive Order - the unilateral action of a single individual imposing his will on 300,000,000+ people.

Our elected representatives had nothing to do with it and the average person lacks the means of fighting it in the courts.

 

[biku324]

That's not what living in a republic means. When the Executive creates laws by fiat it's a dictatorship. It's even worse when there is reasonable doubt as to the legitimacy of the Executive and some of the Legislators who are supposed to serve as a check to his power.

Then Executive Orders have been tyranny since 1789? Like the EO on flag display?

 

[AlHunt]

Then Executive Orders have been tyranny since 1789? Like the EO on flag display?

EOs are like guns. Not bad in and of themselves, but people can do bad things with them. I don't see any EO control advocates.