Pump 12 ga

Many times I’ve heard gun shop sales people tell a customer that racking the slide is deterrent. Maybe. Maybe not.

My shotgun is kept cruiser ready. I won’t count in racking the slide as a deterrent. And I’ll be standing behind cover when I do so.

00 buck in the gun and slugs in a butt cuff.
 
No consensus on this as one would expect, but I can't imagine a better defense gun than an 870 12 ga. with an 18" or 20" barrel with buttstock, no extended magazine or shell holder, no flashlight or other unnecessary adornment - simple as it should be.

Whatever 2 3/4" large buckshot load that patterns well is the best ammo. Penetration isn't excessive and it's easier for most to hit with a shotgun than with a handgun, provided the shooter is familiar with the gun. And a shotgun is effective. The textbookers obsess over jello testing, heavy clothing, and other factors of little worth, but these elements become even more trivial with a shotgun.
 
No consensus on this as one would expect, but I can't imagine a better defense gun than an 870 12 ga. with an 18" or 20" barrel with buttstock, no extended magazine or shell holder, no flashlight or other unnecessary adornment - simple as it should be.

Whatever 2 3/4" large buckshot load that patterns well is the best ammo. Penetration isn't excessive and it's easier for most to hit with a shotgun than with a handgun, provided the shooter is familiar with the gun. And a shotgun is effective. The textbookers obsess over jello testing, heavy clothing, and other factors of little worth, but these elements become even more trivial with a shotgun.

A light is necessary.
 
All of my shotguns have had a safety. I am comfortable relying on it. But I don't keep one in the chamber of my Benelli, because the sound of racking the slide is a universal message: Run!
 
As has been clearly shown, there are two vocal groups on this topic. One thinks it is an effective deterrent; the other thinks it is monumentally stupid.

There is a third, less vocal, group, of which I am a member. Our stance is that it is there is no one-size-fits-all answer to this (or, for that matter, almost any) question, and whatever you decide—after taking all the circumstances of your particular household into account—is A-OK.

As for me, I have a semiautomatic handgun (in a holster with an extended magazine inserted and a round chambered), a 12 gauge pump (tube loaded, chamber empty, striker down, safety off), and an AR (mag loaded, safety off). I also have a stupid bright flashlight.

There are no kids in my house, and I have no intention of leaving my bedroom in the event of a nighttime break-in. I also have no qualms whatsoever about “giving away my location.” I *want* them to know my general location, and I want them to leave the same way they came in. Based on the layout of my house and the location of my bedroom coming to “get me” would be a very bad idea.
 
I have heard about shotguns not being "drop safe". So, I do not leave one in the chamber. What I do is load the magazine tube, add a snap cap into the chamber, close the bolt and pull the trigger. This relieves tension on the firing pin spring. The added benefit is if you are unfortunate enough to require its use, you do not have to fumble for the slide release before pumping a round in the chamber. Just pick it up, pump it, and you are good to go!

Very important! Make sure you load a snap cap.
 
Useful discussion. I'm back and forth whether I need a shotty. I have an M&P 45, and wonder if I can really justify the shotgun. I'm with AJ, my wife and i will stay in the bedroom, and call 911. If it's the perp's unlucky day and he/she/it makes a bad decision, my field of fire is kept narrow by a hallway and a door. What am I missing?

BTW, as far as penetration is concerned, no one else in the house, and the outer walls are concrete block (coastal Florida).
 
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This is not a bad point to consider. After making your home unattractive to bad actors with fencing, lights, and a good sized dog (which is also good company), the odds of having to use a firearm become a lot smaller. If you do, you want something with which you are really familiar and hopefully shoot well.

For most circumstances, the best tactic is to be in a fixed location, with a line in your mind at which you would feel it appropriate to shoot a bad guy. That will vary by your house, your family composition, your risk aversion with regard to waiting, etc. IMHO, American LE and private citizens are far too reticent to use deadly force in self-defense, and put themselves (and likely others) at increased risk as a result. Your tolerance is yours.

However, for most personal defense, pistols and their rounds suck. Pistols are what you carry if you have no specific reason to expect a problem. If you have reason to expect to need to shoot someone and can't make arrangements to be somewhere else, you likely need a long gun with which you are proficient. I have both an AR (formerly my patrol rifle) and a shotgun (set up as much alike as possible; red dot, light, sling), but I expect them to be pretty much fixed position platforms. My AR is loaded with duty ammo that meets Doc Roberts' testing; the shotgun (M590) is loaded with 000 to ensure adequate penetration while maintaining a tight pattern at realistic distances in my home.

Your situation will dictate your tactics. I have a 6' fence with padlocked gates, and anyone who comes over that is already trespassing. If they try to get in to the house after hearing from a decent sized protective dog (the current one is a 95 pound RottX), I am pretty sure they are really bad and need to be addressed that way if they get through the door or a window.


I agree with making your place an unattractive target. The exterior of my home is well lit. The interior is patrolled by a 90lb BAD ***. He loves his mommy way to much to let you waltz in. I think he simply tolerates me. There’s a Walther 9mm equipped with light within arms reach of bed. Under bed is the 12ga 00 in the tube. My line starts once you enter my home my sanctuary in any way. If I didn’t invite you, your probably up to no good.
 

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Bed side is a 9mm, and an 8 +1 round 12ga. A long gun is my choice, given a choice.

I have suppressed SBRs, but a shotgun for in-home ranges is my choice.

I’m long done clearing the house. I call 911.
 
I keep a Taurus Judge, equipped with Winchester PDX1 home defense loads, on my nightstand. On the other side of the nightstand, in the corner, stands my Mossberg Shockwave...loaded with 9 rounds of #4 Buck minishells.

I keep all of my guns loaded with a round in the chamber because I don't want to wake up disoriented with someone in my house and need to remember to rack the gun. And all of my guns are equipped with lights and lasers - including the Shockwave.
 
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I have heard about shotguns not being "drop safe". So, I do not leave one in the chamber. What I do is load the magazine tube, add a snap cap into the chamber, close the bolt and pull the trigger. This relieves tension on the firing pin spring. The added benefit is if you are unfortunate enough to require its use, you do not have to fumble for the slide release before pumping a round in the chamber. Just pick it up, pump it, and you are good to go!

Very important! Make sure you load a snap cap.

What's the purpose of the snap cap?
 
My EDC is either on me or next to bed at night. Long guns are in the safe (or on rack down range), mag inserted/tube loaded, safety off and chamber clear. If patrolling ie carrying long gun then round is already chambered and on safe. My routine for decades.

CD
 
To relate a sad story told me by a friend of my dads who took me goose hunting on the eastern shore of Maryland 50 odd years ago. He and a friend were waterfowl hunting out of ground blinds [I'm guessing] and after driving to where they were parking his 2 door car they were removing the shotguns from the back seat. His friends trigger got hung on the little chrome catch that locked the seat back in place. The pump shotgun discharged into his friends abdomen and he died right there. Very tragic story with many gun safety protocols broken. As mentioned earlier, an ad with a shotgun can be catastrophic.
 
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This is not a bad point to consider. After making your home unattractive to bad actors with fencing, lights, and a good sized dog (which is also good company), the odds of having to use a firearm become a lot smaller. If you do, you want something with which you are really familiar and hopefully shoot well.

For most circumstances, the best tactic is to be in a fixed location, with a line in your mind at which you would feel it appropriate to shoot a bad guy. That will vary by your house, your family composition, your risk aversion with regard to waiting, etc. IMHO, American LE and private citizens are far too reticent to use deadly force in self-defense, and put themselves (and likely others) at increased risk as a result. Your tolerance is yours.

However, for most personal defense, pistols and their rounds suck. Pistols are what you carry if you have no specific reason to expect a problem. If you have reason to expect to need to shoot someone and can't make arrangements to be somewhere else, you likely need a long gun with which you are proficient. I have both an AR (formerly my patrol rifle) and a shotgun (set up as much alike as possible; red dot, light, sling), but I expect them to be pretty much fixed position platforms. My AR is loaded with duty ammo that meets Doc Roberts' testing; the shotgun (M590) is loaded with 000 to ensure adequate penetration while maintaining a tight pattern at realistic distances in my home.

Your situation will dictate your tactics. I have a 6' fence with padlocked gates, and anyone who comes over that is already trespassing. If they try to get in to the house after hearing from a decent sized protective dog (the current one is a 95 pound RottX), I am pretty sure they are really bad and need to be addressed that way if they get through the door or a window.

Pistol round do not suck as self defense...........Ask 7.62 million cops and civilians............Really glad your opinion ONLY APPLIES to you.

Some ya have high fences/moats/gators/mine fields/barbwire and are lit up light the sun..........What ya REALLY scared of?
 
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Useful discussion. I'm back and forth whether I need a shotty. I have an M&P 45, and wonder if I can really justify the shotgun. I'm with AJ, my wife and i will stay in the bedroom, and call 911. If it's the perp's unlucky day and he/she/it makes a bad decision, my field of fire is kept narrow by a hallway and a door. What am I missing?

BTW, as far as penetration is concerned, no one else in the house, and the outer walls are concrete block (coastal Florida).

What is a shotty? Something a gangbanger might have?
 
Just not into the show, or theatrics.
20 inch cyl. Model 12 with one
up the pipe for the house.

Doubt that can really be improved on.
 
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