Gas or Electric??

[Rustyt1953]

I just consulted an expert. I called me mum.

I asked her if she had ever lived in a place with an electric stove. She said once and it was "bloody 'orrible".

Dad got transferred to Bentwaters AFB and he grabbed the only vacant house available in the village mom wanted to live. The stove didn't have coils but square plates that were nearly impossible to regulate the temperature. Trying to reduce to a simmer with the other plates occupied was nigh on impossible. She said the plates stayed hot long after you turned them off. She said she ruined many a meal.

She told dad that she didn't care what it took or if she had to live in a hovel just get her out of there.

Four months later a seaside bungalow with a gas stove became available in the village and life for us became grand again.

Mum is a miracle worker with a gas stove and oven. They were meant for each other. I never waddled away from the table disappointed.

 

[arjay]

I asked ma about her experiences as the farmhouse didn't have electricity.They used oil lamps and a stove that burned paraffin oil along with about 7-10 coal fired fireplaces for heat.
3' stone walls 3 stories tall,says the place was always cold

 

[Rustyt1953]

My grandparent's home had no electricity on the second floor. Eiderdowns, hot water bottles and chamber pots. The kitchen had a coal fired stove with a damper for the oven attached to it and a damper to the boiler behind it for hot water. There were also 4 small gas burners next to it. There was a gas meter in the foyer that took pennies to supply gas to the burners. I remember grandad letting me climb a chair so I could hear the "clink" when I dropped the coins into it.

The bathroom was a converted small bedroom that had a tub and a sink. The loo was one with a pull chain that was in a small hut out back. Grandad would go out and light an oil heater in winter before anyone had to go.

We've come far, pilgrims.

 

[sceva]

GAS; Range, Dryer, Water Heater, Furnace. Even with that my Budgeted Gas bill is less than half what my Budgeted electric bill is. I am pretty sure it is was all electric the cost would be much higher than my combined has / Electric.

I have used electric for cooking and dislike it. I much prefer a Gas Clothes dryer over an electric one; same for a water heater. I wouldn't even want to think about an Electric furnace.

First is was that nasty coal then oil. Many companies switched their fleets to "Clean Burning" Natural Gas and bragged about how ecologically friendly and efficient they were.

 

[SweetMK]

Gas cooktop stove with a gas oven,,

Many stoves have gas burners, but, an electric oven,,

This is how my grandmother taught me to make dumplings for use with stew,,

GAS COOKED,, of course,,]

The stew, a bout to get the dumplings,,

Someone is desperate for a cookie!!

YEP, the whole Sam's Club bag of chips goes in!!
(Dundee would say,, "Now, THAT is a MIXER!!" )

Fresh out of the gas oven,,

 

[UncleEd]

Gas! Easier and better to cook on. They pry my cold dead fingers from my gas cooktop!! ( Apologies to Chuck Heston! )

Conjuring up an image of a person clutching
their gas stove in a death grip is rather, eh.....

 

[oldbrownhat]

...Fresh out of the gas oven

"Someone is desperate for a cookie"... Yes, ME! Why, oh why do I see these things at 3am? Aaarrrrgggghhhh.....

And as regards, "Now, THAT is a MIXER!!", how on earth can you make anything with such a primitive device? No LCD screen, electronic controls or wi-fi enabled... Probably has a cast metal casing and weighs 15 lbs. And if anything goes wrong, which is highly unlikely, it can be repaired. Reminds me of my mother's old Mixmaster Those machines have probably seen more turns around the sun than the parents of the people who are designing the new ones.

 

[SweetMK]

"Someone is desperate for a cookie"... Yes, ME! Why, oh why do I see these things at 3am? Aaarrrrgggghhhh.....

And as regards, "Now, THAT is a MIXER!!", how on earth can you make anything with such a primitive device? No LCD screen, electronic controls or wi-fi enabled... Probably has a cast metal casing and weighs 15 lbs. And if anything goes wrong, which is highly unlikely, it can be repaired. Reminds me of my mother's old Mixmaster Those machines have probably seen more turns around the sun than the parents of the people who are designing the new ones.

You have the weight off by about 70 pounds,,
It really takes two people to move it.

That mixer has a transmission that looks like it was taken out of a British sports car,, but, only 3 speeds.

My wife also has an everyday driver,, I can carry that one by myself,,

(if you look close, the big one is in the background!!)

The flames are hand painted,,

Hmmmmmm,, it kinda looks like my Gravely,,!!??

Maybe the gas stove will be next to get a hand painted flame paintjob,,

Now,, you gotta admit, a "flames" paintjob on a gas stove would be fitting!!

 

[oldbrownhat]

You have the weight off by about 70 pounds,,
It really takes two people to move it....

YIKES! I bet with different paddles, it can mix drywall filler or comcrete

 

[F4phantom]

What I'd like to know, can you pump 200 amps down a line that handles 100 amps? What kind of infrastructure is needed for everyone to have at least 200 or more amp service for all the equipment. What happens when you add the industrial requirement to all this. Although most companies run on electricity now. This green energy **** is only good for reducing the population, both human animal.

 

[oldbrownhat]

What I'd like to know, can you pump 200 amps down a line that handles 100 amps? What kind of infrastructure is needed for everyone to have at least 200 or more amp service for all the equipment. What happens when you add the industrial requirement to all this. Although most companies run on electricity now. This green energy **** is only good for reducing the population, both human animal.

I don't know what various local electricsl codes want, but I would think that 200A is pretty much standard for residential service these days.

One big problem (and financial burden) will be upgrading older services. My gf's older home only has 100A IIRC. We probably have a lot more "stuff" in our homes now than years ago, when 100A was typical (?), but much of it is more efficient, such as LED lighting and gas boilers & furnaces rather than electric baseboard. I have a modest battery backup system (4 x L16 & inverter), itself backed up with an old Onan 6kW diesel genny. When the power goes out, the meter on the battery system usually reads about 600-800W draw- as long as I don't use the well pump or microwave, etc. But I can still power the house pretty well, including the gas boiler and even the pellet stove for several hours.

But the supply grid is going to need a lot of upgrading, and given the patchwork mish-mash of the grid around the country, that's going to be a challenge. Imagine a large power outage in an all-electric future. Eventually the power comes back on and tens of thousands of heat pumps, each drawing 1600-2500W @ 220V, all kick in, plus the Level 2 EV chargers...

I don't doubt that all this is known to the promoters of the all-electric future (?). Realistically, it is going to take quite some time to achieve this energy Nirvana, no matter how "urgent" it may be. It's going to be something of a dog's breakfast in the meantime. For more modest requirements, solar power will help in some places, and perhaps wind, although less so, but I figure that only nuclear, as controversial as it is - will be the main reliable supplier of the bulk of the power we need, except for places with good sources of "green" hydro, such as Québec and BC up here.

Then, "all" we'll have to worry about is a massive cyber attack

 

[pmanton]

The only reason we have an electric stove is because the gas pipes stopped 2 houses short of ours.
My wife hates the electric stove.

 

[Rustyt1953]

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[meaneyedcatz]

Since the USA never has power outages from storms, tornadoes, hurricanes or overload there's no issue. Just saying.

 

[Stevens]

What's next on their list, make our emergency gas powered generators run on electric?
Steve

 

[GypsmJim]

What's next on their list, make our emergency gas powered generators run on electric?
Steve

Your comment may have been sarcastic, but in reality IT'S TRUE.

I just read in the morning paper that part of this gas banning incentive is to mandate that all emergency gennies be battery operated. The thought was that a battery would last about 24 hours.

The phrase "Ya can't make this stuff up!" seems to be valid multiple times each day now.

 

[coltle6920]

It finally makes sense...

 

[oldbrownhat]

...I just read in the morning paper that part of this gas banning incentive is to mandate that all emergency gennies be battery operated. The thought was that a battery would last about 24 hours....

Can you provide a link to this?

 

[oldbrownhat]

Well, what about hydrogen?

Maybe this should be a separate thread? Came across this article a couple of days ago. Initially I thought, "Oh, great- just what we need, yet ANOTHER potential fuel source to wrestle with!" But it seems to be focussed on certain areas of industry, such as rail transportation, so it might actually be feasible.

Trains, buses and trucks: How 2023 could be pivotal for hydrogen technology in Canada

As the Canadian Pacific Railway locomotive moves along the tracks in Calgary, something is clearly amiss/ It's the typical size and look that you'd expect, but what's absent is the low rumbling noise of the diesel engine.

Instead, this locomotive is powered by hydrogen fuel cell and battery technology as part of a trial by the railway to explore whether the low-emission vehicles are strong enough and reliable enough to potentially one day revolutionize operations at the company...

...For CP Rail, the hydrogen locomotive completed its first "revenue trip" a few months ago with the expectation to have the trains operating in Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary by the end of 2023. The next step will be testing out the technology through the Rocky Mountains.

"It's a perfect test bed. If you can operate there: heavy haul, cold temperatures, the most challenging operational conditions I've ever experienced in my career. And if it works there, it will work everywhere," CP's chief executive, Keith Creel, said during a speech at the RailTrends 2022 conference in November...
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Both Canada & the US are highly dependent on rail transport, which burns up a lot of diesel. Also up here we have a number of remote communities dependent on diesel generators, and while solar can help, it can't reliably provide large amounts of power. Providing refuelling stops would be relatively simple for trains as they run on predetermined rail lines.

OTOH, they tried hydrogen-powered buses in Vancouver BC a few years ago and there were all sorts of problems. Presumably the current tests in Edmonton are using a different version than what Vancouver used.

I dunno... Every time I see "hydrogen" I think of the Hindenburg, but that was 90 years ago. If they can make it reliable, "green" and safe, it just might fly (as it were.)

 

[Rustyt1953]