Hiking in black bear country.....

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My lady and I are planning a hiking and overnight stay in the Smokey Mountains National Forest (Mt Leconte) next year. I'm asking for experienced hiking recommendations for Black bear and other possible predators. My initial thoughts are one of the following choices as follows:

Bear spray and a small caliber, light weight handgun (380 or 357).

Bear spray and a DW Bruin 10mm long slide in a chest holster (bullet wt ?).

Bear spray and a S&W 29 4" in a cross draw holster ( I have 180 & 240 gr. JHPs). I also have 320 gr. WLNGC wad cutters.

Bear spray and a 45 acp (my favorite) loaded with 230 gr. JHPs or FMJs.

Thoughts and thank you.
 
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When recently on a four-day back trip near Rocky Mountain National Park, I carried spray plus my 638 with Buffalo Bore's 158gr .38 Special Outdoorsman load and a speed strip of the same. Weight matters when you are actually backpacking, and not just a day hike or walking out to the deer stand.
 
Hiked and camped the mountains from PA down to SC many times over 50 years. Black bears are NOT going to attack you!!! They may come looking for your food in the dark, so plan on hanging it out of reach if you're not with your vehicle at nights. If you are camping with your vehicle, just lock your food inside.

Also, better check regulations before camping with a handgun in a National Park. Never carried one while hiking the Appalachian Trail but might not be legal in the National Park?
 
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My lady and I are planning a hiking and overnight stay in the Smokey Mountains National Forest (Mt Leconte) next year. I'm asking for experienced hiking recommendations for Black bear and other possible predators.

Thoughts ...

You will never see the monstrous black bear. Usually it will be a yearling about the size of a big dog. You really need to realize your biggest threat is a human predator.

So whatever is your EDC.
 
Black bears are NOT going to attack you!!!

Only on very rare occasions. So few recorded that I would not be concerned.

You really need to realize your biggest threat is a human predator.

^^^^This. Black bears may come after food, but so will raccoons, possums, coyotes, fox, etc. Follow good food storage practices.

Carry the 1911 that is your favorite. Your more familiar with it. It has plenty of punch for self defense (bears and men) and is loud enough to scare off bears or signal for help. Don't bother with the spray for black bears.
 
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I do a lot of hiking in the north Georgia/North Carolina area. My experience with black bears while hiking has been they run away when they see you. If they have cubs with them the cubs run up the nearest tree and you have to back off and wait for the mama bear to coax them down.

The only time I have felt threatened by a wild animal was when I came around a corner and surprised a feral pig nursing her piglets on the trail about 15 feet in front of me. She bobbed her head aggressively and stood her ground until the piglets were safe but ran off after them as soon as she could. More of a bluff than a threat.

The only times I ever see bears is when I am quietly hiking by myself. The trails leading to Mt LeConte usually have enough people that the odds of seeing a bear is small and if you and your lady talk while hiking the odds are even lower. As others have said the biggest problem with black bears is they like to raid camps at night. If you are staying at the Mt. LeConte lodge that will not be an issue.

Take what you normally carry would be my first recommendation. If your 45 is so big the holster for it interferes with your pack consider something smaller. When I carry a gun while hiking it is normally a Glock 43 or more recently a Sig P365, the same as I carry intown. The biggest threat is people but Mt. LeConte is not downtown Atlanta.
 
I hiked all over the Smokies for 40 years with nothing more than a walking stick and a knife as weapons. Saw 100's of bears in that time. All ran away as soon as they became aware of me -- and I always made sure they heard me coming.

Saving the weight will keep you alive longer than a gun will.
 
Oh, another bear defense handgun thread, oh goody! I say carry nothing less than a 40mm grenade launcher, let that bear and any snake, squirrel, rabbit, or ant hill near it know that you mean business!

Seriously now, black bears are not of the same temperament as grizzly bears. Black bears would prefer to avoid human contact, but since we like to wander into their neighborhoods, contact can happen. Odds are pretty good that unless you mess with or get between a mother and her cub(s), the black bear wants nothing to do with you and, unless cornered, is going to retreat. I would actually be more worried about encountering a pack of wild dogs or a coyote or even worse, a two-legged predator.

I'd say a good, all-around carry handgun for hiking east of the Mississippi River would be a 4-inch barreled revolver in 357 Magnum, you can go with a larger caliber if that's what you have or makes you feel better, or a semi-auto pistol with a 4 to 5 inch barrel in 10mm Auto.
 
On the occasion I'm hiking thru Black Bear country here in VA, I carry what I always carry, a Glock 43, mostly for the 2legged variety of predators. They're just black bears. Would be different in brown bear/Kodiak territory.
 
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They're busy stuffing themselves with 20-30,000 calories a day this time of year ,so practice safe food handling.I've been walking a local greenbelt on the edge of my city of several million people almost daily and there's a young one hanging around in there judging by the size of his poo.They're out and about in the fall.I've lived around bears and mountain lions all of my life and have never felt threatened by or carried for them .Moose on the other hand are a different story, especially in the spring.
 
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Eastern black bears are not hostile or aggressive. They generally avoid human contact. As earlier stated they would be more interested in eating your food than you. Making noise or acting aggressively is enough to scare them off if needed.
 
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Yes, black bear attacks are indeed rare....

...Madura was backpacking in the park. His remains were found on Sept. 11, 2020, near the remote Hazel Creek area where he had been camping. Backpackers first found an unoccupied tent at Hazel Creek Campsite 82, then discovered what appeared to be human remains across the creek with a bear scavenging in the area and alerted park rangers. An autopsy concluded that Madura had been killed by the bear.

This was in the Great Smoky Mountains N.P. All other Black Bear fatalities were out west.

In Florida 2014

Frana walked out of her house to check on her children who were bicycling in the area when she spotted two bears in her yard. Once outside, she saw three more bears standing inside her garage eating trash they'd pulled from it. Right after, one charged and attacked her. She was able to get away and make it inside and contact 911. She survived the attack, her injuries including 40 stitches on her scalp and cuts, scrapes, and bruises across her body. Frana's residence is beside a nature preserve, where bear spotting's have long been a regular occurrence.


In Virgina 2015:

Cooksey was hiking with her son when they were attacked by a female black bear on the Blue Suck Trail in the Blue Ridge mountains. The duo attempted to get away by going down the side of the mountain, but the bear came after them. Cooksey kicked it, and the bear slipped on the wet ground, allowing them to escape and reunite with her other two children who been on the trail behind them. The bear found them once more, but the group made loud noises to intimidate it. Cooksey survived with injuries; her children unharmed. She didn't have any food with her and there were no cubs present at the time of the attack. It's believed that the bear was hunting.

Tennessee, Appalachian Trail 2016

Veeder, a thru-hiker on the Appalachian trail, was sleeping outside of the Spence Field Shelter one evening when a bear bit through his tent, putting two puncture wounds in his leg. The bear ran off once Veeder began yelling and punching at it through his tent. Veeder and the other campers in the area moved to the shelter to wait out the rest of the night. The next morning, they found that the bear had returned during the night and tore through Veeder's and another camper's empty tent. Veeder's wounds were non-life-threatening.

There were a few others, but they involved dogs getting the bear riled up. Hard to blame the bear for those.
 
Personally, I know from experience that wild animals are entirely unpredictable, and therefore it frustrates me to see folks making statements to the effect that black bears will never attack a human and therefore can just be completely overlooked.
Such are the words of a very fortunate man who never happened upon one that did attack, as obviously black bear attacks can and have occurred.

So here is what I would recommend, when it comes to carrying a firearm out in the woods where black bear may roam, make it something at least moderately powerful. (As in, something with at least more oomph that a .380 ACP or .38 Special.) That way no matter if you should encounter some misanthropic maniac out on the woods all hopped up on Marijuana or a black bear that for whatever reason decides to attack you, you've got a weapon that can stop the attack and hopefully leave you in a state in which you're capable of making it back out of the woods on your own.

For best results, carry the most powerful pistol that you own, loaded with FMJ for maximum penetration.

Personally, as someone who lives in an area surrounded by woods and commonly finds bear scatt around, I just carry .40 S&W. Nothing too crazy, but a proven man-stopper which saw over a decade of ongoing use in many Law Enforcement Agencies including Fish & Game, so clearly it is effective against both man and beast alike.
Have I ever encountered a black bear face to face? No, but I have heard one grunting off somewhere in the woods, and that was already too close for comfort if you ask me.
 
I live VERY close to the Appalachian Trail,,
The discussion has always been that it is illegal to carry a handgun on national forest property,

(hunting season is the exception)

I am not an authority,, but, Hmmmmmmmmmm,,

I am positive it is illegal for bear hunters to carry a gun when training dogs,,
I think they are crazy,,

Maybe, some day,, I will actually look into the REAL rules,,
 
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