Sunday drive Montana style

distance. All my surviving brothers and sisters live in Montana. I live in the middle of the state. One sister is just 50 miles north, one brother is 270 miles east, another sister is 175 north, another brother is 250 miles south east and 2 more are 290 miles west.
It is interesting contradiction that while you live in an area of vast open spaces and distances, your surviving brothers and sisters are actually geographically closer to you than is the case with many of us who have siblings spread across the country. It must be nice to be able to visit one another relatively easily.

(I just got back to Oregon from the east coast after a family reunion of siblings and first cousins of our generation. Had not seen everyone together since my mother's funeral 12 years ago.)
 
It is interesting contradiction that while you live in an area of vast open spaces and distances, your surviving brothers and sisters are actually geographically closer to you than is the case with many of us who have siblings spread across the country. It must be nice to be able to visit one another relatively easily.

(I just got back to Oregon from the east coast after a family reunion of siblings and first cousins of our generation. Had not seen everyone together since my mother's funeral 12 years ago.)
If you grew up here chances are you won't want to leave. Most of the men have been all over the US working and I was the only one that stayed gone long. I spent from the early 90s to 2009 in Washington. I have also spend a lot of time in South East Alaska, I have some land there and if I was younger I would load about 4 conex boxes full of building materials and go there and uswe them to make a home. The only other states I would consider are Wyoming and maybe northern Idaho. The Boise area is being destroyed
 
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When I had to work in Harlowton for a day I would always go to Townsend and take the Deep Creek cut off. I once saw another car near Lennup but they just about didn't see me. I am sure that they never had to look on the highway for another rig on a regular basis.
 
When I had to work in Harlowton for a day I would always go to Townsend and take the Deep Creek cut off.

I do believe I have missed that road. Maybe next time we go to White Sulfur we will do it. There are some lonely roads for sure.

Harlowton was one of the towns we went through on the way down and of course went though Townsend on way to Helena from Three Forks.

Once this summer I drove the 80 miles from Jordan to Miles City and all I passed were 2 hay swathers and one concrete truck all while killing a couple million grass hoppers.

On way to sisters memorial, wife wanted to go into Hays, we came out on the wrong road, ( I told her it was wrong road) she said it would get us to Harlem, she was correct, but we ended up taking a 30 mile detour via about 20 miles on the Lodge Pole cut across and then 10 miles back to Hwy 66 on Rte 11 and we didn't see another vehicle, but a lot of cows and horses and only a couple ranch houses.

Lots of roads you can drive right down the center and be way more apt to hit a deer or cow than another car. In fact on some rural roads at night I drive down the center, which gives me room on either side to dodge deer and you can always tell if there is another car coming because their lights will show up

I seldom get down to your area, or up in the north east corner by Plentywood or the north west corner by Eureka, but I think I have that I have been to over 90% of the towns and villages in the state.

I have hit 3 different deer, barely missed several, managed to get through a herd of elk once at about 70mph without hitting any (close though), missed a bear in the road, followed behind a herd of antelope running down a road several times and bumped several cows while dodging a lot of them. In eastern Montana there are lots of gravel roads on open range, where the cows basically have the right of way.


"Go west and take the first road to the left"
Ok, but remember that except for access gates to hay meadows or wheat fields, there may not be an actual road on the left for 37 miles

Or like years ago when getting directions to a ranch to shoot prairie dogs, I was told to turn off the highway and go to the first left then take the second left and their ranch has a big red barn. After spending the after noon lost on some interesting and lonely back roads of eastern Montana, I questioned the direction giver and after some discussion I found that the first left I had taken was supposed to be ignored because everyone knew it just wondered off into some broken up country where nobody lived.
 
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You never once mentioned waving to John (Governor) Dutton.

I hate Yellowstone, A River Runs Through It, and Legends of the Fall. They have caused an influx of idiots who believe that is how this state is. Maybe parts of it fit Missouri Breaks though

Longmire, which is supposed to be in Wyoming, but the Cheyenne and Crow reservations are actually in Montana is decent. But it cracks me up every time the "Mayor" threatens Walt. A Montana (or Wyoming) sheriff can tell a mayor to go pound sand or flat arrest him. A mayor and chief of police couldn't touch a county sheriff, even if he decided to start using the mayor's office for a restroom.
 
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PS, just because a map shows a town don't get excited, That does not mean a store, gas, motel. I can name a lot of dots on the Montana map that are just a post office or a post office and a few buildings.
Cohegan, Locate, Moseby, Hobson, Moccasin, Two Dot, Ringling, Zero, Volberg, Coal wood, the list is almost endless. Of the appox 500 towns there are at least 100 towns with less than 50 residents and 50 with 50 to 100. Only 25 have populations over 5,000.

Billings, Missoula, Bozeman, Great Falls, Butte, Helena and Kalispell and their surrounding areas account for close to 1/3 or more of the 1.1 million in the state.

For reasons never explained, the Nevada map makers insist on putting dots with names where there is nothing except the remains of a structure, some lizards, and a few Turkey Vultures looking you over to see if you start coughing. These places don't even qualify as ghost towns, It's the same on some roads in the Mohave in CA.
 
There are some places on the map in MT that have not had a commercial building since the 60's. What might be difficult, is to discern if it is a large ranch with several houses or a used to be town.
 
I hate Yellowstone, A River Runs Through It, and Legends of the Fall. They have caused an influx of idiots who believe that is how this state is. Maybe parts of it fit Missouri Breaks though

Longmire, which is supposed to be in Wyoming, but the Cheyenne and Crow reservations are actually in Montana is decent. But it cracks me up every time the "Mayor" threatens Walt. A Montana (or Wyoming) sheriff can tell a mayor to go pound sand or flat arrest him. A mayor and chief of police couldn't touch a county sheriff, even if he decided to start using the mayor's office for a restroom.

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I worked in Great Falls for 3 years with the heads of the local Justice System, particularly with the chief judge. He ordered the County Commissioners to fully fund his courts one day and they refused.
He sent the sheriff to arrest them. Someone in the courthouse warned them and they got out the back door and declared themselves on vacation until the chief settled down.
And yes, the courts got funded.

I spent 3 years trying to get the Sheriff's office and the Police department to cooperate. They were both some great folks, but the crossover of jurisdictions was intense at times. The cops were modern day law enforcement; and the deputies were the same, but in cowboy hats and boots.

My consulting job out of the University in Missoula required I drive around the state a lot. I absolutely loved driving in western Montana where there are mountains, trees, and animals. I've never seen anywhere with more giant, fast-flowing rivers. It never seemed like a long drive.
The first time I drove Hwy 93 over the hill and saw St. Ignatius I thought I was having a religious experience. The Mission Mountains may be the most beautiful range in the world with the giant Flathead Lake peeking out from the other end of the flathead valley. I found the Salish and the Kootenai to be warm and welcoming to anyone with a smile. I just love that area.

I've been gone for 40 years, but I still think of Montana as home. We left to find work. We discovered you can't eat trees.


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Ya I went to HS with a kid who live in a "post office town" The main floor of their house was a post office that also sold bread, milk, candy, the very basics and they lived in the upstairs. While they were in town town their place burned down and that "town" didn't exist until they got a new place built. When ever I am hunting around there I always drive the extra miles to stop in get an ice cream, a cup of coffee and shot the breeze with the lady who runs it. Her husband works on a ranch nearby. She used to have a play pen in the store for her kids.

I once drove across I80 from Cheyenne Wyo to Rawlins and there was a freezing rain and the wind was howling. I had traction tires on my Ford Heavy duty Powerstroke and still stopped on the shoulder and locked in the hubs so I could stay on the road. Another time it took me almost 5 hours to drive the 125 miles from Miles City to a drilling rig near Sidney, almost no traffic, it had been well below zero, warmed up, rained and the rain froze as it hit the road then it got cold again, I passed a semi with a load of pipe that was sliding backwards down a hill. There was nothing I could do to help him.

There are times that even on the interstate you best have good studs or chains, even if you have a 4x4. If you get stuck or run off even a paved road in some places you may well be there for a day or so before they find you. That is why I carry a sleeping bag, some cans of chafing fuel and keep my tank pretty full. My truck even has some small propane bottles, a burner attachment and a coffee maker in the tool box.

This winter some people are going to get stranded and die. Happens every year. I have know several people that went that way
 
Steelslayer,

I lived 5 miles from the nearest town, Niarada, 20 miles west of Flathead Lake. Niarada was one building; containing a Post Office and a bar/cafe.
It was the only spot for the local ranchers and hands. A real family environment. I built the rodeo grounds in the back.

We were broke as broke gets and we had no car. I was trying to get through grad school and had to hitch-hike into town and back.
In the winter, it was easy; no one passed me for fear I would be dead before the next car came along. You prepared for being stranded in a car, I planned for a blizzard and dressed accordingly. Montana requires you to be smart; stupid gets killed off quick.


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I've been gone for 40 years, but I still think of Montana as home. We left to find work. We discovered you can't eat trees.

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I lived a hit and miss existence until my middle 30s living in Montana. The oil patch boom and bust cycle isn't new. LOL, construction does not exist from early Dec to mid March. Pay was low. I have traveled all over working and I have always run into fellow Montanans traveling to make money. In the trades thy are always welcome, know for honesty and good work ethics.

People sell their high value home in Calif, Wa or where ever, pay to much for one in Montana, driving up rel-estate prices, thinking they will get a job here. Many find out good money is hard to come by and eventually end up going back home. I have met people who were used to making 100k plus checking in stores, working in coffee shops etc. I think the average "Montana life span" of a Californian is less than 5 years.

The property home prices in the "last great spots" along rivers, lakes, along the interstates have soared. Bozeman, Missoula, Kalispell all have a huge Urban Camper problem, because working people can't afford property or rent.

One of the guys I shoot with is a realtor and he says there is nothing left for sale or rent here and we are over 100 miles from any interstate or commercial airport. You can still buy dirt and build, but materials and labor are not cheap. You best start digging in the spring and be done with the outside work by mid October. Only thing that goes on after that is electrical, sheet rock, cabinets and interior trim



Like you said "can't eat the trees" Not much nourishment in the views either. I will admit the venison is pretty tasty, but a steady diet of it can get old.
 
I'm glad to see that I am not the only one who gets a little turned around and has to back track some;) on a road trip.

I saw some road, I had never seen before and will never ever see again. Cows and snow banks all looked pretty much the same., LOL A talked to a guy who used to deliver beer in the area and he used that cut across to get from Glasgow to Hays then drop down and hook around to hit Zortman. Only one road to Zortman
 
distance. All my surviving brothers and sisters live in Montana. I live in the middle of the state. One sister is just 50 miles north, one brother is 270 miles east, another sister is 175 north, another brother is 250 miles south east and 2 more are 290 miles west.

I went down to Helena to visit an uncle quite a few years ago, he's gone now. While there he said "tomorrow morning we are going to go a few miles outside of town to see an area I am currently working for Sapphires." I told him that would be great, I always like to see new territory. We got up with a thermos of coffee, and took off. While driving he was talking up a storm, we drank all the coffee. He asked me if we should stop for more coffee. I said sure...We stopped filled up the thermos, grabbed some poggey bait and hit the road. After a couple more hours I finally asked "I thought you said we were going just a few miles out of town, we been on the road for hours." He said "In Montana anywhere is just a few miles outside of town."
 
My father had issues dealing with the the size of Las Vegas. I was taking him to a range that is close to my house in Vegas terms, but after ten minutes of driving he says, "I thought you said this place was close?" I informed him anything our side of the Strip was "close", and that everything in Vegas is 10-15 minutes away. Oddly enough, my first wife's extended family from Iowa also had total brain lock when told you can drive for 20 miles or more and still be in Las Vegas.
 
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