Miracle landing in Japan

[ladder13]

Japan Airlines plane on fire after possible crash with Coast Guard aircraft

Glad to see forum member Onomea on line today.

"A Japan Airlines aircraft carrying more than 300 passengers caught fire while landing at a Tokyo airport Tuesday after a possible midair collision with a Coast Guard aircraft, according to local media.

The plane was seen with flames bursting through its windows on the runway at Haneda International Airport shortly before 6 p.m. local time"

 

[soFlaNative]

Hope stuff doesn't happen in 3's.

 

[NFrameFred]

Terrible that five guardsmen died; thank heaven for the 379 passengers that survived, as well as the extremely talented airline pilots.

 

[muddocktor]

Wow, this sounds very similar to an accident that happened at LA International some years ago, where the controller lost track of who was going where and landed an airline on the same runway that she had given takeoff clearance to a smaller commuter prop plane. They showed that episode of Air Disasters the other day on the Smithsonian Channel.

 

[LVSteve]

Couldn't have been many of Anglo-Saxon descent on board. The BBC reports that nobody was seen exiting the aircraft with a carry-on. That wouldn't happen with Americans or Brits. We had a 777 catch fire and abort take-off here. The FAA were all over British Airways over the length of time it took to evacuate the plane. BA said it was all due to "passenger non-compliance", and there was plenty of video to prove it.

 

[Rudi]

PTL!! Incredible.

 

[mckenney99]

May the Coast Guard crew Rest In Peace. Hard to believe anyone could get out of that inferno alive.

 

[pharmer]

.....Hard to believe anyone could get out of that inferno alive.

Disciplined people, following instructions efficiently, in a timely manner. Joe

 

[SMSgt]

Disciplined people, following instructions efficiently, in a timely manner. Joe

When the emperor says evacuate, they evacuate.

 

[AJ]

ATC should commit seppuku, for causing the Coasties deaths.

 

[mrchick]

ATC should commit seppuku, for causing the Coasties deaths.

Where did you see that ATC was at fault? Has pilot error been ruled out?

 

[AJ]

Where did you see that ATC was at fault? Has pilot error been ruled out?

ATC had some hand in this. Either giving wrong instructions to the aircrews or failing to apprehend the fact they had two aircraft using the same runway. Since both pilots survived it ought to be interesting as to where the blame is placed.

 

[Onomea]

News in Japan says ATC is blaming the critically injured coastie pilot. I am skeptical. Too often pilots are blamed — human error! — and then a long, thorough investigation proves otherwise.

Plus, the guy's critical. Let's get him back up and cognizant so he can defend himself.

I suspect ATC/ground control at the airport, but early days. We should all wait for the investigation.

 

[AJ]

Have seen a lot of accidents over the years. The investigation will take a long time. May never know what the findings are. The injured pilot is being questioned as much as possible now to get his unvarnished side of the story, Same with the JAL pilot. I truly hope it was some kind of equipment malfunction. Have seen to many accidents chalked up to "pilot error", especially when the pilot is no longer around to give his side of the story.

 

[NYlakesider]

Have watched a lot of crashed aircraft shows over the years. Both those planes have the black boxes that tell no lies.

Those boxes are made strong enough to survive just about anything. At the minimum preliminary results should be available soon. Both the tower and planes radio transmissions should be well researched!

 

[LVSteve]

News in Japan says ATC is blaming the critically injured coastie pilot. I am skeptical. Too often pilots are blamed — human error! — and then a long, thorough investigation proves otherwise.

Plus, the guy's critical. Let's get him back up and cognizant so he can defend himself.

I suspect ATC/ground control at the airport, but early days. We should all wait for the investigation.

Many years ago I dated a girl whose father was an air traffic controller. His biggest beef was with those who sit at the front in airplanes. It's all about your point of view.

 

[AJ]

My S-I-L has a B-I-L who is an ATC. He was at Atlanta Hartsfield for a while. Said there was more work to handle than they had controllers for. A friend in the Corps was an ATC. He said lots of stuff to handle all the time. Said he wasn't to upset that he got hit by a car riding his bike to work one day and was laid up for about six months.

 

[Rustyt1953]

From BBC: "A coastguard aircraft involved in a fatal collision at Tokyo's Haneda airport was not cleared for take-off, Japanese authorities have said.

The smaller aeroplane collided with a Japan Airlines (JAL) passenger jet on the runway on Tuesday.

Newly released transcripts of air traffic control instructions just before the crash confirmed the JAL Airbus A350 was cleared to land."

 

[arjay]

I thought it was a runway incursion?

 

[AJ]

The smaller aeroplane collided with a Japan Airlines (JAL) passenger jet on the runway on Tuesday.

If the Coastie bird was in the takeoff position on the runway and not moving it did not collide with the JAL bird. I would think the JAL bird would have seen the Coastie sitting there.