JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT..22LR CENTERFIRE CARTRIDGE

[Farmer17]

The more expensive competition grade 22 long rifle ammo is normally very reliable however, during the big ammo shortage time all the 22 rimfire manufacturers got a little sloppy. CCI has always been very reliable for me and it's not that expensive but I heard they even got a little sloppy during the big ammo shortage times. There was so many demanding customers that were screaming at them to make more and they were hiring new employees and working overtime and it still took them five years to catch up.

 

[Buford57]

Actually the 5mm RF was selling pretty well. It really eclipsed the 22 mag by far. but....always a but ya know...they had trouble with that 5mm blowing holes in the cases. Rather than fix the problem...the brass cases...they dumped the whole project...Remington already had a big project on their plate...the 700 Trigger. I was also told that much of the 5mm ammo w loaded by Remington subsidiary in Mexico . You can still sometimes find new made ammo for the 5mm and it's still better than the 22 WRFM or the 17 HMR. Still got a box or two of that Mexican ammo

Aguila still lists the 5mm although it's probably not stocked by every Cabelas.

 

[Sistema1927]

Why not a .25 ACP Magnum? Stretch the case, give it better performance.

 

[pharmer]

It's being developed right now.
It'll be the 22SuperCarry

Otherwise known as the 5.7. Joe

 

[Countrycuz]

I remember lusting after a Remington 5 mm rifle on the rack at the hardware store when I was a teenager. My Dad talked me out of it, suggested I just stick with my.22LR. It was more than I could afford anyway, if I recall.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

It was called the .22 WCF and was introduced in 1885 for the 1885 Winchester Low Wall. It's longer than a Lr , uses a 45 grain flat nosed bullet at 1500 fps. The .22 WRF took it's place. The .22 WCF is the parent cartridge of the .22 Hornet and was discontinued in 1936. I have a ziplock bag full of them stashed away somewhere.

 

[Eddie Southgate]

Years ago there were 22 long rifle ammo loaded centerfire. These are quite uncommon to encounter and are collectors cartridges. In 50 plus years of cartridge collecting, I have yet to add one to my collection.

Calling bull on that unless you show proof.

 

[Skeet 028]

Aguila still lists the 5mm although it's probably not stocked by every Cabelas.

And I was told by someone at Remington that is where the majority of the 5mm was made. I was also told that they supposedly solved the blown case problem by making the case harder(and probably) reducing pressure and velocity. I had one for a while and never blew a case rim

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Yes, Charlie Askins' converting a Colt Woodsman to 5.5 Velo Dog so he could fire it in the Centerfire match...didn't go over too well. Sort of a shooter's version of the Flying V formation in football in the 1890s-how long did that last ?

 

[AlHunt]

Calling bull on that unless you show proof.

I give you the 22 Ladybug:

.22 ladybug - Saubier.com

 

[30-30remchester]

Calling bull on that unless you show proof.

Sorry Eddie, being computer challenged I have problems posting links. If you want to see example, go to Internation Ammunition Assoc. website and do a search. IIRC these were produced @1920's but on the exact date I cannot attest to.

 

[venomballistics]

I imagine the title rested upon a changing cast of cartridges through the years.
22 Hornet likely held the distinction
Right now, it's clearly 5.56
There's likely been a few in between.
Thing is, 22 LR as we know it is difficult to replicate as a centerfire. The closest thing to it is the 25 ACP.
It's best to embrace the concept as a bottle neck sports car

 

[MTC(SS)Ret]

Let us not forget the currently available and somewhat popular .22 TCM, an Armscor product. Works well in a semi-auto pistol and could be adapted to a revolver with moon clips I would guess.

Is it possible to get a bottle-necked cartridge such as a 22TCM to work in a revolver? Are there revolvers out there whose cylinder charge holes are bottle-neck shaped to align the bullet with the barrel?

 

[M29since14]

If you want a small .22 centerfire cartridge in a revolver there is the .22 Long Snapper and .22 Short Snapper - both shortened versions of the Hornet and will fit in a J-frame .22 cylinder. Likewise there is the Kay-chuck for the K-frames. Either is a lot of fussing around for the little gained, in realistic terms. The .22 Magnum does quite well in iron-sighted revolvers and you'd really need a scope to take advantage of the extra range of the other rounds. And .22 WRFM ammo is pretty darned reliable, in my experience. But, if you have to have a handloadable .22 that isn't a nuisance like the Jet…

 

[smoothshooter]

Doing that would double the price per round, at least.
Better off getting a Hornet and down-loading it.
A better solution would be to make rifles with double firing pins located 180 degrees apart on the bolt face like what was done on the early lever-action Winchesters chambered for the .44 rim-fires.
It doubled the chances of the firing pin hitting and igniting some priming compound if it was not evenly distributed around the circumference of the cartridge rim.
Consistent and uniform priming was sometimes a problem in the manufacturing processes in the early days of metallic cartridge production.

 

[DWalt]

An elongated .25 ACP round would be an interesting chambering for a mini pistol. But it would necessarily be a little larger than a run of the mill .25 ACP pistol.

I have seen many mentions about ftfs with .22 RF cartridges, but I have yet to experience more than a few instances of that happening. I remember those were from Remington bulk pack boxes. I usually use CCI and Federal. Having a dual firing pin might be worthwhile but I suspect there could be some problems with that.

 

[venomballistics]

Why not a .25 ACP Magnum? Stretch the case, give it better performance.

I've often thought the same.
Get the buggy humming at 40kpsi with a OAL of about 1.00 -1.2".
It would be an easy shooting cartridge and ample for many range and field applications.

Seems like a slam dunk...
But good luck dethroning the 9mm for it's bang to buck ratio.
That's what drives the bottom line more than any other figure

 

[BC38]

Please note, the 22 Cooper Centerfire Magnum,

Reloading Data .22 CCM / .22 Cooper Centerfire Magnum (Accurate Loading Guide #2) Metallic

While it is the length of the 22 Extra Long, there is no reason it could not be shortened.

Kevin

INTERESTING! Never heard of this one before.
One bit of info that wasn't listed in the reloading specs you linked is the primer. Does this take the standard SPP?
Any sources for brass that you know of?
Looks like someone proved JMB wrong. Wonder why it never caught on?

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

IIRC tapered bottleneck rounds such as 22 Jet in the Model 53 have serious problems with cartridge setback.

 

[chief38]

Rimfire 22 LR ammo is probably the most popular in the world and basically that is because it is inexpensive compared to center fire cartridges. Even now RF ammo can be purchased for around a 6-7 cents each, thrown away after use and forgotten about. The primers on a CF bullet alone are more than that! Make RF ammo super expensive and you take away its major advantage.

While RF is not as reliable as CF is, they have now made it at least somewhat reliable or at least reliable to be used in all aspects of shooting sports. While some even use RF ammo in SD guns, (I would not) but if that is what they want, a revolver would make much more sense than a semi auto because if a round fails to fire, all that needs to be done is the trigger is pulled again. A SA would need to be cleared and cycled which would take too much time IMHO.

RF ammo is about perfect for those who need to dispatch pests and vermin, target shoot on paper, or use just for general plinking fun. Expensive primers that would require a different and more sturdy case design doesn't really make sense for RF ammo. As for CF "22's", the cartridge case has a larger diameter, has to be thicker and stronger. Not in the cards for what most 22's are actually used for and counter intuitive for what it is.