I wish CZ never bought out Colt…
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Actually, Colt had designed and produced the new "Cobra" line, as well as the new Python before being acquired by CZ. The prolific increase of new models and versions since CZ's purchase hints at CZ's support, and the continued / increase in revolver popularity.
I do wonder how CZ is doing itself, as a company? About the time of the Colt acquisition, CZ discontinued its iconic line of traditional rifles, and replaced them all with the model 600, a rifle that has had major teething pains, and is not a big seller. When it comes to long guns, I think their line of .22's are their only big sellers. Sales are down on their "Scorpion" PDW line, but they seem to maintain their Nitch in the handgun market.
I own 2 of the new Anacondas, and one new Python: Excellent revolvers all. The popularity of these new snake guns shows there is a ready market for well made revolvers.
I wonder how popular they might be if S&W decided to produce a "Premium" line of their most popular revolvers, sort of like they did with the model 27 / 28? Make them out of SS, no lock, fit, finish, and polish equal to the new Colt's, stock them in real figured wood, and charge in the same Colt $$ ballpark.
Oh yea, and I am holding out for a blued 4 inch Anaconda to go along with my SS version...
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I do wonder how CZ is doing itself, as a company? About the time of the Colt acquisition, CZ discontinued its iconic line of traditional rifles, and replaced them all with the model 600, a rifle that has had major teething pains, and is not a big seller. When it comes to long guns, I think their line of .22's are their only big sellers. Sales are down on their "Scorpion" PDW line, but they seem to maintain their Nitch in the handgun market.
I own 2 of the new Anacondas, and one new Python: Excellent revolvers all. The popularity of these new snake guns shows there is a ready market for well made revolvers.
I wonder how popular they might be if S&W decided to produce a "Premium" line of their most popular revolvers, sort of like they did with the model 27 / 28? Make them out of SS, no lock, fit, finish, and polish equal to the new Colt's, stock them in real figured wood, and charge in the same Colt $$ ballpark.
Oh yea, and I am holding out for a blued 4 inch Anaconda to go along with my SS version...
Larry
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SGT ROCK 11B
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In the 1970s 9mm ammo was expensive because of supply and demand. Today that is why 38 Special is expensive. I am a reloader so I do not need to buy 38 Special.
At my LGS I see people buy 9mm by the case. Occasionally someone buys one box of 38 Special. Somebody buys a new snubnose revolver and they buy a box of hollowpoint ammunition. Its obvious they are not going to the range and shoot.
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My most recent purchase was a Kimber K6XS. I also thinking about added a K6S to the stable. That was after looking at the Pythons and the S&W Performance Center revolvers.
SnidelyWhiplash
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I have an early 4.25" King Cobra .22 which handles and shoots great. I have since purchased a 6" but have yet to get to the range. When I do I plan on doing a comparison shoot out between those two and a 1950s era Officers Model Match. The issue right now is the temps have been in the 105-110 degree range. That would not be fun.
Yendor357
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CZ can't make Shadow 2 Compacts fast enough. I've had a S2 C on order for about 9 months now. They sell a bunch of 9MMs; all different configurations. I think CZ is doing ok.
You can't beat these new Anaconda and Pythons. Yeah, they need a single action trigger job because they come out of the factory with a lawyer trigger. In my opinion, the rear sight is fine. The grips/stocks are just fine. They are tough, gorgeous, well made, and do they ever shoot. You'll get good velocities because they are built so well.
You can't beat these new Anaconda and Pythons. Yeah, they need a single action trigger job because they come out of the factory with a lawyer trigger. In my opinion, the rear sight is fine. The grips/stocks are just fine. They are tough, gorgeous, well made, and do they ever shoot. You'll get good velocities because they are built so well.
Sorry, but I don't get what you mean by "dented" Cobra trigger guard?
Is that a reference to the fact that the frame side of the trigger opening isn't one continuous curved line - but it is two curves blended together (one curve in front of the trigger pin and a second, non-contiguous curve behind the trigger pin)? That has been a characteristic of Colt revolvers for a LONG time.
Or are you talking about something else?
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dsf
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The trigger guard on the new model Cobra isn't a constant curved profile. Sort of flattens out a bit transitioning front to rear on the lower curve. Very different from older Colts and the new Python.
Not sure why Colt did it that way. I presume it was deliberate and that someone thought it looked neat. I don't care for it.
Old & new - I see a difference.
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Thanks! Based on the examples you posted I see the difference now.
I have a few Colts, most of them older, but I'm a long ways from being a Colt expert.
Heck, I'm still learning something new about S&W revolvers just about every day - after over 11 years hanging around here and reading posts from the real experts...
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dsf
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Same here - still learning. And glad Colt kept the same configuration for the new Python as the old.
Now if they could just do something about the SA trigger pull!
Same here - still learning. And glad Colt kept the same configuration for the new Python as the old.
Now if they could just do something about the SA trigger pull!
SnidelyWhiplash
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That SA trigger pull was unfortunately done to pass the drop tests of a few states like California. It can be corrected by someone who has the knowledge to do so. It's not that Colt couldn't make it with a fantastic trigger pull but they have to make products that will sell anywhere as once they're shipped to the distributors they have no control where they end up.
It's less Colt's issue than the states with such stupid laws.
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CZ has always been a high QC company. After buying a new CZ 453 American (22LR) a while back, I realized just how good they were - it's incredible!! They are now instilling their beliefs and practice's on Colt - which had a long rough patch before CZ bought them. I also understand they are buying S&B ammunition Co. - another great move IMO.
Hopefully one day S&W will get their long awaited act together!
Hopefully one day S&W will get their long awaited act together!
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I bought a surplus CZ 82 in 2001 when the Com Bloc stuff was going for peanuts. I loaded it up with 9X18 FMJ and put 12 rounds in the black from 25 yards. Unbelievable! Since then I have invested heavily in CZ handguns and not been disappointed once. My carry gun is a P01, in Winter it's a 97b. My point is I can see nothing but good coming from the Colt/CZ company.
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I cleaned mine up a bit but am going to put rounds through it before doing any more.
I'm never of a mind to give CA a pass on blame for lots of things and it's true there is a drop test, but the SA trigger pull of Smiths and Taurus are better than the Colt. I might even include Charter and Ruger, not 100% on those though. If they can do it, it seems to me Colt ought to be able too.
I know the dynamics of those DA/SA revolvers are different than Colt - their DA lifter and sear are separate from the SA sear whereas the Colt lifter and SA sear are one in the same. So the angles are a bit different. Still, seems to me it ought to be better.
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I have four of the 2020 models and love em !!
I hadn't bought a double action Colt revolver in years, new or used. I had a few older single actions and some 1911's but no double action guns. Strictly a S&W guy. Then the new Python came along. Oh, my! So I now have 5 of them - three stainless and two blue - along with a 6" Anaconda, and I'm waiting on the 2 1/2" blue Python. Also picked up a couple of '50's vintage Detective Specials along the way. I never thought I cared for Colt's DA revolvers but these CZ/Colt people have figured out how to get in my wallet in a big way!
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