The truth about the M&P 10mm..

[mark_lives_things]

S&W M&P 10mm Pistols: Prevalence of the Magazine Drop Malfunction | by Mark | Medium

^I documented my experience with mag ejections, and the experiences of other people, as well as I could at the link above. This was clearly a very real, very serious problem that, to my knowledge, S&W never addressed. I love M&Ps and I'm tempted to try again, with the hope that S&W has addressed the problem by now. I'd feel more confident if they would just be transparent about their mistake and what they did to fix it, though.

 

[mrshyvley]

Apparently his 10mm M&P worked when needed …. (see attached)

I LOVE the 10mm, have an M&P 10mm 4.6", and have other models of 10mm pistols.
But do some checking around and you'll see he was VERY lucky to have killed a kodiak bear with a 10mm pistol before it got him.

 

[oworthsr]

I LOVE the 10mm, have an M&P 10mm 4.6", and have other models of 10mm pistols.
But do some checking around and you'll see he was VERY lucky to have killed a kodiak bear with a 10mm pistol before it got him.

And the "unlucky" ones never post. Wonder why?

 

[Frank Black]

More luck?

A dose of proper Best Meter (real 10mm ammo), with proper shot-placement, will put the big bruins down.

Fact, my dudes.

 

[CH4]

As a 10mm fan, the Smith 10mm is intriguing. However, my G29 runs perfect, mags are cheap and plentiful, quashing my desire to look further.

 

[Farmer17]

I've owned over 75 handguns in my life and my 4 inch M&p 10 millimeter is currently my favorite out of all of them. It fits my hand great, recoil is not bad and the trigger is the best of any striker fire gun I've ever tried. It's better than my SIG 365 and 365 XL. My 120 pound wife loves shooting it also and she's very accurate with it and I've had zero malfunctions. I think I bought it in February or March 2023.

 

[mrshyvley]

More luck?

A dose of proper Best Meter (real 10mm ammo), with proper shot-placement, will put the big bruins down.

Fact, my dudes.

Without knowing the story it's hard to say how much was luck involved.
If the bear was rushing him, and he was able to kill the bear with just a handgun, without it laying a paw on him before it died, he WAS lucky.

 

[ultratec00]

Exactly.. Too many folks I fear have a false sense of security when it comes to what a 10mm readily can/can't do. More rounds, less weight, get it. Compared to a 41 mag or 44 mag, not close.

Without knowing the story it's hard to say how much was luck involved.
If the bear was rushing him, and he was able to kill the bear with just a handgun, without it laying a paw on him before it died, he WAS lucky.

 

[gwpercle]

I'm going to pass along some good advice my wise old daddy gave me ...

... " Boy ... Don't believe anything you hear ...
and only believe half of what you see . "

What he was telling me was be careful of hearsay ... try things out for yourself and see what the truth is ...
A lot of folks just like to bash anything or they don't really know what they are talking about .

Grab a M&P in 10mm and ... Choot It , then decide !
Gary

 

[Frank Black]

Without knowing the story it's hard to say how much was luck involved.
If the bear was rushing him, and he was able to kill the bear with just a handgun, without it laying a paw on him before it died, he WAS lucky.

T'ain't luck when you get the intended result.

Dead bear ——-> right there.

 

[mrshyvley]

T'ain't luck when you get the intended result.

Dead bear ——-> right there.

I'll reserve my opinion til after I hear the account of how the "Dead bear ——-> right there" happened. LOL

 

[doubletapp357]

I have a Performance Center 5.6 inch and the gun is outstanding! Glocks are not even in the same stratosphere as my Performance Center

 

[mrshyvley]

T'ain't luck when you get the intended result.

Dead bear ——-> right there.

And now for the rest of the story.

I KNEW there had to be more to this story, and that it was unlikely he killed this bear with just a 10mm pistol.

Here's the order of firing from the story.
Link to the story is below.

(Quote from the story)
"To recap the ordering of fire, it is as follows:

• Tyce hits the bear with a rifle to begin the tracking process.
• Guide fires two shots from his rifle as the bear charges them.
• Tyce fires three shots at the bear with his 10mm.
• One final shot from a rifle as it's down for the count to put an end to it."
  
  Hunter Who Shot Charging Kodiak Bear With Pistol Shares Details | OutKick

 

[balin]

My 10mm M&P has worked exactly as expected. Same as all the other Smiths old and new I have in my 2 gun safes.

 

[drycreek]

Mine has been flawless !

 

[JonE406]

I recently bought the 4.6", and love it.

 

[mrshyvley]

I have an M&P 10mm 4.6" I bought new in March of 2022.
It's fired every type of round I've loaded it with and had NO problem except one.

The ONLY problem I've had is with some older Double Tap Hard Cast 200 grain with the wide front tip.
With these older Double Tap Hard Cast 200 grain, it either jams or ejects the magazine.
I suspect the wide front tip of the bullet is hitting the magazine release

To ADD a report to this, I recently ran across this webpage where this problem was claimed to be fixed with an Apex Failure Resistant Extractor, and a Springer Precision Extra Power magazine spring.
S&W M&P 2.0 10mm - FTF Fixed and lessons learned - AR15.COM

I bought an Apex Failure Resistant Extractor and installed it, in hopes of making progress toward getting the 200 grain hard cast to cycle reliably.
I've done nothing to this pistol but add the new extractor to see what difference IT ALONE makes.

A week ago last Friday, I test fired the pistol with the new extractor and the older Double Tap Hard Cast 200 grain.
It did a nose hitting the top of the chamber jam on the 3rd shot.

I next fired a magazine of Sellier & Ballot 180grain JHP without incident.
Next, I had somebody else fire a magazine of the Sellier & Ballot 180grain JHP, and he had the magazine drop out once.

UP until now, the Sellier & Ballot 180grain JHP had worked perfectly for me.

SO a few days ago I got in some Springer Extra Power magazine springs and installed them, as my magazines are the ones that came with the pistol in March of 2022.
I've seen reference in some places that S&W increased the strength of the magazine springs in the current ones.
Will test again and report back.

 

[jughed440]

Honestly, I love my M&P 40 S&Ws (all 1.0s) but just couldn't disregard the many horror tales about the M&P 10...

Cheers!

P.S.The XDM Elite has been excellent beyond my wildest expectations! Their 45acp Elite Compact quashed any interest in either a Shield or an M&P in that caliber as well. And I'm a big fan of S&W!

Yep..S&W screwed around while nearly every other gun maker was making 10s. I got tired of waiting on em' and bought the XDm Elite. It has been perfect for me as well. The grip is much more comfortable than the G29 I carried for years (and sold shortly after getting the XDm). I love it, and so glad to have avoided dealing with the alleged M&P 10 issues.
Thanks for pointing me elsewhere, S&W!!!!

 

[sotexas]

Are they really malfunctioning as much as I hear? I got to handle an M&P 10mm Comp the other day and I like so much better than the Glock 20. However, there seems to be all sorts of caterwauling about these pistols malfunctioning,,,is this real thing or just people b**ching?

I have 600-700 rnds thru mine with zero issues. Very accurate.

 

[sotexas]

I have a Performance Center 5.6 inch and the gun is outstanding! Glocks are not even in the same stratosphere as my Performance Center

Agree with this