I like my little nest of mice guns.
The mouse gun conundrum.
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My brother has accumulated a bunch of mouse guns that now he is thinking of trimming. My recommendation would be to keep the tip-up Beretta as being newer parts would be easier to obtain if necessary, plus if by chance in the future racking the slide gets to be too difficult you can still load the first round by tipping up the barrel.
dsf
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Okay, two I refuse to carry that occurred to me:
NAA Mini Revolver .22 Short
Remington .41 Rimfire derringer -
Those two are just silly and useless except as house decoration if you like leaving guns around for house decoration and I admit that I do.
If you ever want to part with that box of ammo I have an ounce of gold to trade for it.
Something to remember re the OP - he's in CA and his options are limited (for now) by "the roster". Older guns (C&R types) are exempt from the roster.
I have a few "mouse guns" and were I limited, the Bernardelli VP22 in 22 long would be OK, as might the Mauser 1910 in 25 ACP.
For modern stuff the Beretta Tomcat in 32 ACP or Seecamp would be OK and are CA legal.
I'm kind of surprised the issuing authority in CA is OK with the guns being listed on the CCW. Not saying they ought to have a say.
smoothshooter
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Get a Bodyguard 2.0 in .380 with a good pocket holster and you’re good to go.
Second choice would be a Glock Model 42 in .380 .
Second choice would be a Glock Model 42 in .380 .
That second link is a very interesting read.
I've always wanted a Seecamp in 380 ACP. But they are definitely on the upper-end of the price range for a 380. So far, I haven't found one that was priced in my comfort zone.
I've also looked at the NAA Guardian 380, which at least looks like it is very comparable to the Seecamp.
In the meantime, I will have to be content with carrying my slightly larger, but lighter P3AT.
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I got rid of my Seecamp .32 ACP , it was just too difficult to get it to run right.
I have:
NAA Guardian .32
Colt vest pocket .25
Beretta 950 BS
My Beretta 21A .22 was very large for a small gun, and I couldn't get more than 1 magazine through it without an issue.
Mouse guns have their place, especially if you have to dress up.
I prefer .38 "j" frames for carry, but will go down to a Colt .380 Mustang Lite.
I have:
NAA Guardian .32
Colt vest pocket .25
Beretta 950 BS
My Beretta 21A .22 was very large for a small gun, and I couldn't get more than 1 magazine through it without an issue.
Mouse guns have their place, especially if you have to dress up.
I prefer .38 "j" frames for carry, but will go down to a Colt .380 Mustang Lite.
Grayfox
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AH! The old mouse gun debate. Some love 'em, but most hate 'em. 
And those that hate them seem to do so for no more reason than they are of small caliber.
Ok, one more time....
With a mouse gun, you have to change tactics. Forget center mass or long range. These guns are used at bad breath distances. Stick the gun right in the bad guys face and pull the trigger several times. He may not drop over dead, but it will completely ruin his day. Your butt is saved.
I happen to like mouse guns and I have in fact carried one occasionally as my only gun. My favorite is an older PSP-25. A licensed copy of the famous Baby Browning. In fact, I think its a better gun.
As far as the OP's question......
If the Colt is a Vest Pocket .25, keep that one. The FN Vest Pocket is the same gun made by FN. So that would be a good choice too.
The smaller Beretta you mentioned, might it be a Model 950 Jetfire? If so, another good choice.
I like mouse guns!
And those that hate them seem to do so for no more reason than they are of small caliber. Ok, one more time....
With a mouse gun, you have to change tactics. Forget center mass or long range. These guns are used at bad breath distances. Stick the gun right in the bad guys face and pull the trigger several times. He may not drop over dead, but it will completely ruin his day. Your butt is saved.
I happen to like mouse guns and I have in fact carried one occasionally as my only gun. My favorite is an older PSP-25. A licensed copy of the famous Baby Browning. In fact, I think its a better gun.
As far as the OP's question......
If the Colt is a Vest Pocket .25, keep that one. The FN Vest Pocket is the same gun made by FN. So that would be a good choice too.
The smaller Beretta you mentioned, might it be a Model 950 Jetfire? If so, another good choice.
I like mouse guns!
charlie sherrill
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I like to fool around with them, but don't carry them for self protection. However, I will still sometimes stick a .25 Beretta in my back pocket as a bug. I don't remember the model and ain't going to dig it out right now but do remember it is the only .25 caliber I have that doesn't fail to feed. I don't recommend a .25 for self protection but it's better than nothing. They are cute though.
Your Beretta 25ACP is most likely a model 21A - a.k.a. the Bobcat.
I have one in 22LR, which is a fun little gun to shoot, but I'd like to have one like yours chambered for the more reliable centerfire 25ACP.
OP
Thanks for all the feedback guys. I appreciate it. I also have an Iver Johnson TP-22 and some larger .32s and .380s which I also seldom carry but shoot a lot more due to ammunition availability. I have even started to reload the .25 due to ammo availability and cost.
I have several.25 autos and I used to carry a Beretta 950 which is a single action with a tip up barrel and extremely reliable. I also have a pair of Astra Cubs which are very compact single actions with an exposed hammer. If you rarely carry one it doesn't make much difference what you sell but I wouldn't trust any striker fired .25 enough to bet my life on it regardless of brand.
FWIW, I have a TP22 as well.
Both the TP22 and TP25 are scaled-down, PPK-inspired designs.
I just wish that Iver Johnson had taken this design to the next logical step, and offered a 32 ACP model TP32.
Now THAT would have been really cool. A 32 ACP in the same size package as the TP22/TP25. That could have been a game-changer back in the day...
Glenn R. McMannly
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I consider a 9mm a mouse gun.
Well, made to stop more mice than men anyway.
Well, made to stop more mice than men anyway.
Pocket gun or belt gun ? I’ve always been interested in these little holsters and have found quite a few more since this photo was taken. Most of these were made by Heiser, two of them were types used by the OSS in WW II. Apocryphally German officers were issued .25 pistols to kill themselves should the need arise.
Regards,
Regards,
Beretta "Jetfire" .25acp.
Hsve you considered a Glock Model 42 .380 ?
Hsve you considered a Glock Model 42 .380 ?
The weapon Fitzpatrick used was a .25 Auto.
Posted On Oneida Daily Dispatch
Sept. 22, 2019
Sunday marks 50th anniversary of fatal police shootings in Sherrill
Sherrill, N.Y. — Sunday marks the 50th year following the tragic incident which led to the deaths of Police Officer Robert A. Mumford and Police Chief Thomas P. Reilly, both were killed in the line of duty in Sherrill.
The tragedy from fifty years ago is the subject of the pilot episode of a docu-series titled, "Blue Legacy: The Stories Behind the Badge." The documentary, currently in production, will include firsthand accounts from victims and witnesses to the 1969 case, along with family members of the deceased officers and others.
At about 9:30 p.m. on Sept. 8, 1969, Martin Fitzpatrick, held up the attendant of Finn’s Gulf Station in Canastota at gunpoint stealing his wallet and the station’s receipts, about $400.
Officials said police were immediately called which resulted in a radio alert by Oneida Police to other police cars in the region, including Sherrill Police about 7 miles away.
At about 9:48 p.m., reports say that Mumford and Reilly stopped a car matching the description of the wanted vehicle and interviewed the driver who denied knowledge of the robbery. It appears that Fitzpatrick was being cooperative and providing some story to the officers, which caused Chief Reilly to doubt that they had stopped the right car, authorities said.
At 9:54 p.m., Reilly radioed to the dispatcher that he thought they had the wrong man, and that Fitzpatrick was being cooperative. But during his interaction with the officers, Fitzpatrick apparently became aware that the Canastota police were bringing the victim to Sherrill to identify him, a procedure known by police as a “show up”. About four minutes later, Fitzpatrick drew a pistol, shot both officers, and sped away in his car.
Chief Reilly was able to reach his police radio and at 9:58 p.m., broadcast that he and Officer Mumford had been shot. Wayne Coston was on duty as the Desk Sergeant at Oneida police headquarters that night and he remembers taking Chief Reilly’s radio call. Coston said, “It’s been fifty years, and I will never get that out of my mind, he said, ‘We’re shot, we’re shot, God help me, please hurry...’” The injured Reilly had also written down Fitzpatrick’s name and license plate number in his police notebook.
Fitzpatrick fled the shooting and drove to Munnsville where he found a darkened home in a remote area. It was just minutes after the shooting in Sherrill when he knocked on the door of the occupant, Marie DiLapi, asking for a glass of water and directions.
DiLapi said, “He wanted to know how to get to Syracuse, and I gave him directions via Route 5, but he didn’t want to go that way.” Mrs. DiLapi was home alone with her two daughters, ages 4 and 6.
After a short conversation, Fitzpatrick forced his way into the home brandishing his handgun. He checked out the home and the bedroom where the two little girls slept. He then told Mrs. DiLapi that she was going to drive him to Syracuse in her car, likely knowing that a large police dragnet would be looking for him in his own car.
After all, he had been stopped once after committing the armed robbery in Canastota, and now he had shot two police officers. Fitzpatrick forced Mrs. DiLapi and her two girls into DiLapi’s car and ordered her to drive back roads to Syracuse.
“When we got near Jamesville I was really scared that he would kill us and dump us over a hillside," she remembered. “But we continued on to Syracuse, where he directed me where to drive until he got out.” Mrs. DiLapi and her girls were finally free. She drove around until she was able to alert someone to call police.
Mrs. DiLapi’s information would turn out to be a critical clue in the investigation and manhunt for Fitzpatrick as the search was previously focused toward the areas east of Sherrill, rather than west toward Syracuse.
Deputy Fran Broski worked for the Oneida County Sheriff’s Office at the time and was on duty that evening back in 1963. “I was in Vernon when the call came in that there were two Sherrill police officers down. I drove to the scene and found that the ambulances were loading Bob and Tom to get them to the hospital.”
Additional police vehicles arrived on scene and Broski took off in the direction pointed out by witnesses to search for the suspect.
“I started searching Route 5 and went all the way to Kirkville, and then I checked side roads looking for the car.” A civilian witness, John Orr, was across the street at a gas station he owned, when the officers were shot. Orr’s stepson, Bruce Rochester, remembered the night.
“I was talking with my step-dad out in front of the gas station and we had seen that the police had a car stopped. All of a sudden we heard gunshots, and my step-dad instinctively took off after the fleeing car.” Rochester described his father as a hard-charger, former military and a sitting justice of the peace for nearby Vernon. “But my stepfather was driving a Chevy Blazer K5 and couldn’t keep up with him.”
Fitzpatrick was apprehended the next day by Syracuse Police. He died in prison.
Posted On Oneida Daily Dispatch
Sept. 22, 2019
Sunday marks 50th anniversary of fatal police shootings in Sherrill
Sherrill, N.Y. — Sunday marks the 50th year following the tragic incident which led to the deaths of Police Officer Robert A. Mumford and Police Chief Thomas P. Reilly, both were killed in the line of duty in Sherrill.
The tragedy from fifty years ago is the subject of the pilot episode of a docu-series titled, "Blue Legacy: The Stories Behind the Badge." The documentary, currently in production, will include firsthand accounts from victims and witnesses to the 1969 case, along with family members of the deceased officers and others.
At about 9:30 p.m. on Sept. 8, 1969, Martin Fitzpatrick, held up the attendant of Finn’s Gulf Station in Canastota at gunpoint stealing his wallet and the station’s receipts, about $400.
Officials said police were immediately called which resulted in a radio alert by Oneida Police to other police cars in the region, including Sherrill Police about 7 miles away.
At about 9:48 p.m., reports say that Mumford and Reilly stopped a car matching the description of the wanted vehicle and interviewed the driver who denied knowledge of the robbery. It appears that Fitzpatrick was being cooperative and providing some story to the officers, which caused Chief Reilly to doubt that they had stopped the right car, authorities said.
At 9:54 p.m., Reilly radioed to the dispatcher that he thought they had the wrong man, and that Fitzpatrick was being cooperative. But during his interaction with the officers, Fitzpatrick apparently became aware that the Canastota police were bringing the victim to Sherrill to identify him, a procedure known by police as a “show up”. About four minutes later, Fitzpatrick drew a pistol, shot both officers, and sped away in his car.
Chief Reilly was able to reach his police radio and at 9:58 p.m., broadcast that he and Officer Mumford had been shot. Wayne Coston was on duty as the Desk Sergeant at Oneida police headquarters that night and he remembers taking Chief Reilly’s radio call. Coston said, “It’s been fifty years, and I will never get that out of my mind, he said, ‘We’re shot, we’re shot, God help me, please hurry...’” The injured Reilly had also written down Fitzpatrick’s name and license plate number in his police notebook.
Fitzpatrick fled the shooting and drove to Munnsville where he found a darkened home in a remote area. It was just minutes after the shooting in Sherrill when he knocked on the door of the occupant, Marie DiLapi, asking for a glass of water and directions.
DiLapi said, “He wanted to know how to get to Syracuse, and I gave him directions via Route 5, but he didn’t want to go that way.” Mrs. DiLapi was home alone with her two daughters, ages 4 and 6.
After a short conversation, Fitzpatrick forced his way into the home brandishing his handgun. He checked out the home and the bedroom where the two little girls slept. He then told Mrs. DiLapi that she was going to drive him to Syracuse in her car, likely knowing that a large police dragnet would be looking for him in his own car.
After all, he had been stopped once after committing the armed robbery in Canastota, and now he had shot two police officers. Fitzpatrick forced Mrs. DiLapi and her two girls into DiLapi’s car and ordered her to drive back roads to Syracuse.
“When we got near Jamesville I was really scared that he would kill us and dump us over a hillside," she remembered. “But we continued on to Syracuse, where he directed me where to drive until he got out.” Mrs. DiLapi and her girls were finally free. She drove around until she was able to alert someone to call police.
Mrs. DiLapi’s information would turn out to be a critical clue in the investigation and manhunt for Fitzpatrick as the search was previously focused toward the areas east of Sherrill, rather than west toward Syracuse.
Deputy Fran Broski worked for the Oneida County Sheriff’s Office at the time and was on duty that evening back in 1963. “I was in Vernon when the call came in that there were two Sherrill police officers down. I drove to the scene and found that the ambulances were loading Bob and Tom to get them to the hospital.”
Additional police vehicles arrived on scene and Broski took off in the direction pointed out by witnesses to search for the suspect.
“I started searching Route 5 and went all the way to Kirkville, and then I checked side roads looking for the car.” A civilian witness, John Orr, was across the street at a gas station he owned, when the officers were shot. Orr’s stepson, Bruce Rochester, remembered the night.
“I was talking with my step-dad out in front of the gas station and we had seen that the police had a car stopped. All of a sudden we heard gunshots, and my step-dad instinctively took off after the fleeing car.” Rochester described his father as a hard-charger, former military and a sitting justice of the peace for nearby Vernon. “But my stepfather was driving a Chevy Blazer K5 and couldn’t keep up with him.”
Fitzpatrick was apprehended the next day by Syracuse Police. He died in prison.
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keep the one that shoots the best, and the one that conceals the best. At least they don't take up much room in the safe.
The Kel Tec 32 is a very concealable gun. Brother carried one when he ran.
The Kel Tec 32 is a very concealable gun. Brother carried one when he ran.
Terry G
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I think it was a .22 Long (Not Long Rifle) and it was a thousand to one brain shot at least.
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