LEOSA

[biku324]

I rarely carry anymore, I've always tried to give reasonable forethought to where I was going and if the need outweighed the situation. More times than not I always felt that by the time I realized the need or option to use I'd already be painted into the wrong corner. But, on long trips or out of my usual comfort zone my S&W 59 will be by my side.....

My situation is slightly different. I worked the Mexico/New Mexico border for half my career and am 'owed' by folks who never forget (they haven't so far). Otherwise I'd do as do you.

 

[14daMoney]

Qualification required once a year according to federal statute.

which, "IMO", are an absolute joke. score about a 75% or Pass/Fail. Which equates to missing your intended target 25% +/-. Or, in the case of a 15 round mag 3 -4 rounds going who knows where. Please, don't even get me started on police shooting where folks are letting loose with 8, 10, 15 rounds at a time, and not stopping after 2 -3 to evaluate.

 

[Revelation]

the lectures I give for new handgun applicants deals primarily with what to expect if you're ever involved in a shooting, and things to think about and plan for in advance. Primarily, if you have to shoot, learn to hit your intended target with the first shot. You may not get a second, and you dang sure don't want to hit an innocent person. Fear, panic, adrenalin rush, anxiety, surroundings, location, situation, etc., etc., etc. The good folks have no real concept of what they are in store for..... ahhhh the funny and merry making of winding up in federal and/or civil courts for months or years.....

Yep, I totally agree. While taking some Burglary Reports many years ago, the homeowners would often ask "Officer should I get a gun?" My advice was to first ask yourself, "Self, can I take the life of another human being?" If the answer was "Yes," then perhaps you might consider arming yourself, but if you are not prepared to use it for what it is intended for, then don't get one because the bad guy will take it from you, and you won't like what he will do with it.

 

[Revelation]

My situation is slightly different. I worked the Mexico/New Mexico border for half my career and am 'owed' by folks who never forget (they haven't so far). Otherwise I'd do as do you.

USCS, USBP, or State of New Mexico? Them there's the Front Lines!

 

[14daMoney]

My situation is slightly different. I worked the Mexico/New Mexico border for half my career and am 'owed' by folks who never forget (they haven't so far). Otherwise I'd do as do you.

I worked the El Paso & Brownsville region and learned real fast what a no-win revolving door process that was. You usually had to arrest the same individual 3 times at least before the US Prosecutor would even consider prosecuting. Left that job before a year was up.... never missed it!

 

[Blackthorn]

The last draft I saw allowed the states to extend the current 1 year qualification requirement to 3 years. Although, I don't know if that made it through the House's final version.

 

[biku324]

USCS, USBP, or State of New Mexico? Them there's the Front Lines!

Neither - New Mexico State Police. When I first hit the border in '91 there were exactly 35 USBP agents in Deming, 23 in Lordsburg.

There were 2 ports of entry in my command area - Columbus and Antelope Wells. Eventually another was opened at Santa Teresa - now there are several hundred CBP and ICE folks along that same stretch of border (Monument 0 at El Paso/Sunland Park to Monument 72 at the NM/AZ border).

 

[Blackthorn]

Yep, I totally agree. While taking some Burglary Reports many years ago, the homeowners would often ask "Officer should I get a gun?" My advice was to first ask yourself, "Self, can I take the life of another human being?" If the answer was "Yes," then perhaps you might consider arming yourself, but if you are not prepared to use it for what it is intended for, then don't get one because the bad guy will take it from you, and you won't like what he will do with it.

I used to ask that same question of people who asked about owning a gun. More than once, their eyes widened in shock. It was apparent that they'd never actually though about the hard part before.

 

[walkin' trails]

An entity that would defend a retiree for lawsuits that arise if he/she took LE action in an emergency.

I now possess a state CCL and will never take action beyond defending my life or those of my immediate family from a an imminent, credible, deadly threat.

Going to have to reach out to the private insurance/ legal prepaid legal plans for that. There is one that covers retired feds for LEOSA-related but it is sort of pricy for tech among of thr coverage caps. There are several that offer no caps for defense, but some of those plans have baggage. Some states have laws prohibiting law suits arising from justified use of force, but those laws may still require representation to remind a civil judge of state law. And attorneys on contingency look for loopholes in everything.

 

[Revelation]

Neither - New Mexico State Police. When I first hit the border in '91 there were exactly 35 USBP agents in Deming, 23 in Lordsburg.

There were 2 ports of entry in my command area - Columbus and Antelope Wells. Eventually another was opened at Santa Teresa - now there are several hundred CBP and ICE folks along that same stretch of border (Monument 0 at El Paso/Sunland Park to Monument 72 at the NM/AZ border).

I was USCS, and back then when almost all of our assets were focused on the Southern Border, there was a "whole lot of shakin'" going on at our Northern Border with Canada, and our three borders with the seas; today, we are paying the price! Stay safe brother!

 

[biku324]

I worked the El Paso & Brownsville region and learned real fast what a no-win revolving door process that was. You usually had to arrest the same individual 3 times at least before the US Prosecutor would even consider prosecuting. Left that job before a year was up.... never missed it!

People think about adding LE to the border but never consider adding prosecutors.

During the entirety of my time on the border the AUSA's office in Las Cruces had a 'prosecution threshold' of 120 lbs of Marijuana, and much smaller thresholds for cocaine and heroin; they would not prosecute juveniles. What that meant is that dope traffickers learned this through experience and their US lawyers and would mostly keep weed loads under 120 lbs and used more sophisticated methods for heroin and 'coca.' As well, the trafficking 'families' actively developed juvenile gangs in border towns and used juvie members to move loads through the ports.

So; when the AUSA declined prosecution from USBP, Customs Enforcement, or Customs at ports, they handed the offenders and dope off to state authorities for state prosecution. We took some directly, but most through an interagency task force of which we were the largest agency.

We developed tons of really good, really specific information, especially from juvies, passed that to 'tres letres' Fed agencies while using it for countering other gang-related crime. And to sieze a few million dollars in drug cash, and millions more in real-estate and property seizures. We also permanently ended trafficking careers for a few combative traffickers.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

I'm shooting my yearly qualification tomorrow. I'll qualify with a G42 and a S&W 442. Good for any state but only those two weapons. Both of those guns are legal it any state due to capacity or operation.

I also have a Virginia CCW permit. Good for five years and pretty much any gun I want to carry. I'm not required to qualify with specific models/calibers. It's only good in VA. and reciprocity states. Since I'm retired and spend a lot of time touring around the country on motorcycle I only carry one of the above two LEOSA qualified guns. I can live with those restrictions but would like that additional Virginia flexibility. If I really needed I could also shoot additional HR218 qualifications with more guns but what's the point by now?

Well, there is a point for me personally. I have always believed in practice and training with the weapon you carry. I also disprove of a rotation of guns. The G42 & 442 both fit my hand with perfect alignment to the arm. They shoot to where I point. And neither require any manipulation of extra levers. Basically the revolver is for cooler weather and the Glock for summer. Just two, no more.

As to LEOSA changes the various states have abused this law for years. New Jersey is a prime example. Which is one reason I moved as soon as I could to the much freer Virginia.

 

[UFGator]

Does the federal statute say you can only carry the weapon you qualify with? Not sure that is the case. In TN, the requires SN of gun you shoot before they issue LEOSA card but I’ve never seen that in the federal statute.

 

[Smoke]

I don't mean this as an personal insult to anybody here that's a cop.

The reason that the legislators put all these carve outs in these bills for the police (active and retired) is so that they will get on board with legislation they'd never support if they had to live under it.

That way, the Leftists who are attempting to disarm us can point to the fact that "the Police Union supports this legislation".

That's why in almost every state that has magazine capacity restrictions, the restrictions exempt military and police. And generally the police unions jump right In and support them.

WRT to the Police I'd like to see America do what Canada does, you clock in in the morning and you draw your handgun from the armory. At the end of your shift you return your handgun to the Armory and you go back out there in the real world unarmed like the rest of the Proletariat.

 

[UFGator]

I'm in it, but I'm not a true believer in the LEOSA - Con Game. Just another way to spread the division amongst law abiding Americans. In it's most simplistic breakdown, this is Good vs Evil.... plain and simple! Law abiding Americans who own, possess, or carry any type of defense weapon should be encouraged to do so, placing All Evil on Official Notice!

Even convicted felons?

 

[UFGator]

which, "IMO", are an absolute joke. score about a 75% or Pass/Fail. Which equates to missing your intended target 25% +/-. Or, in the case of a 15 round mag 3 -4 rounds going who knows where. Please, don't even get me started on police shooting where folks are letting loose with 8, 10, 15 rounds at a time, and not stopping after 2 -3 to evaluate. Holy -*^*! Hannah.....

I shoot at least once a month if not more. I’ve seen several police shootings where the offender was put right down. Don’t offend all LE unless you can state facts, not your opinion.

BTW, anyone who wants a LEOSA permit can join a federal or local LE agency, retire with at least 15 years service and then you’re in.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Even convicted felons?

Unless you committed a felony using a firearm, yes . . .

 

[lightstar_actual]

An entity that would defend a retiree for lawsuits that arise if he/she took LE action in an emergency.

 

[14daMoney]

I shoot at least once a month if not more. I’ve seen several police shootings where the offender was put right down. Don’t offend all LE unless you can state facts, not your opinion.

BTW, anyone who wants a LEOSA permit can join a federal or local LE agency, retire with at least 15 years service and then you’re in.

the facts are all over the news, "do your research - Sherlock Holmes" ....

 

[14daMoney]

Even convicted felons?

Uhmmm, let's get real here, just because a person has a "Felony" conviction for a DWI, or a Larceny, etc. is little reason in and of itself to deny them the right to protect themself.