For years as a trial judge I carried a variety of handguns both on my person and in my propped-open briefcase on the bench. For screw-in-their-ear backup I carried either a Remington double or Colt Thuer, both in .41 rimfire. I'd stashed away several boxes of the fresh Navy Arms ammunition when it came out in the '80s till circa 2010. Am aware of the cartridge's limitations, but the Navy Arms stuff seems marginally hotter than earlier loadings...and better than nada. As an aside, kind folks are offering single rounds of this loading for up to $20.00 these days.
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I hope you still have several boxes. 1/2 Box would get you a nice Bond that chambers a serious cartridge
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There's a gun I would never even think about shooting!!!!
I have an original Remington .41 rim-fire, refinished in nickel, so it has no great value, and a full box of that ammunition:
Twenty bucks a round? I'm a seller at that price!!!
I leave that gun on my bar for decoration!
I have an original Remington .41 rim-fire, refinished in nickel, so it has no great value, and a full box of that ammunition:
Twenty bucks a round? I'm a seller at that price!!!
I leave that gun on my bar for decoration!
Eddie Southgate
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So , you'll be ok when I show up in your court with my Colt Cobra or a nice J frame ?
I had a Bond in .357 magnum. Shooting .38 specials through it wasn't too bad, but shooting the .357's through it was like getting your fingers slammed in your car's trunk! I gave it to my oldest son and haven't had a desire to own a derringer since.
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Interesting. In a room populated with sometimes scores of people charged with everything from driving with no city tag to murder, you espouse free carry?
Scores of people charged with everything?
Surely you know a court room FAR better than I do, are you saying you held court with (sometimes) 40 human people, all of which charged with expired tags or murder or something in between…?
The bailiffs are armed, as you alluded, who else gets the ability to carry a firearm?
You also admit that sometimes you weren't even carrying a firearm, you simply had it laying in an open briefcase, off person, possibly out of your control?
Sounds a little dicey with FORTY bad guys charging the bench!
I think we understand each other.
Laws for thee but not for me seems accurate.
Surely you know a court room FAR better than I do, are you saying you held court with (sometimes) 40 human people, all of which charged with expired tags or murder or something in between…?
The bailiffs are armed, as you alluded, who else gets the ability to carry a firearm?
You also admit that sometimes you weren't even carrying a firearm, you simply had it laying in an open briefcase, off person, possibly out of your control?
Sounds a little dicey with FORTY bad guys charging the bench!
I think we understand each other.
Laws for thee but not for me seems accurate.
District criminal court here in western North Carolina was, for some years, crowded by as many as several hundred divers cases, dealt with one way or another, in a single day(!). When I wrote "scores of defendants", I was going light. There were usually two or three uniformed, armed bailiffs and a varying number of armed, uniformed police-witnesses. The bench, where I kept my briefcase at hand, was elevated and defendants allowed no closer than fifteen feet from the bench...if one got closer, there was trouble. Security in those days was lax. In one county, I noted that a citizen brought a full-size felling axe into the courtroom. Alerted a deputy, who returned after speaking to that worthy, that it was okay, because his truck didn't lock and he didn't want the axe stolen(!) Another time a disruptive female was apprehended in court and found to have a revolver in her purse. I could go on. Criminal court is the one place on any given court day that literally dozens and dozens of bad guys are concentrated in one spot for one person to order bad things to happen to them. You bet I carried in court in those days!
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I completely understand SEVENS response. I don't like special privileges for some……….. BUT, I'm fine with a judge being armed. I'd only question the OP's choice of arm.
jack zeller
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As a card carrying NRA guy, and as L.E., I heartily concur with the Judge. Allowing the public or defendents in court while armed would be the height of insanity. It would be akin to allowing knives in the asylum .
Three decades OTJ and since I was the department FA instructor and armourer I'd be called now and then by the judge to give "expert" testimony on firearm functionality. Well the range was directly under the court and the steel plate impacted under the judges bench.
The bailiff would hand me the evidence and the judge would kind of smile and ask me what I thought? That was his code as to if I had any ammo that would fit. I'd ask if he needed the report in writing? "We'll address that later, oral testimony will suffice for now"
Off I'd go to the range, kill a few minutes with a coffee then pow, pow.
Back into court with a ventilated target and gun, I'd sit down up front waiting for another traffic case to conclude and study the defense attorney. The gun case would resume. I never had to give testimony or write a report as to the functionality.
BTW a sitting judge was murdered in Wanaque, NJ. in 1974. He was shot by a .22 rifle from outside the building by a 19 year old who was ejected from the courtroom for disruptive behavior. This was in a very peaceful quiet town far from the inner city violence of much of NJ.
I'll reserve comment on the "Laws for thee but not for me".
The bailiff would hand me the evidence and the judge would kind of smile and ask me what I thought? That was his code as to if I had any ammo that would fit. I'd ask if he needed the report in writing? "We'll address that later, oral testimony will suffice for now"
Off I'd go to the range, kill a few minutes with a coffee then pow, pow.
Back into court with a ventilated target and gun, I'd sit down up front waiting for another traffic case to conclude and study the defense attorney. The gun case would resume. I never had to give testimony or write a report as to the functionality.
BTW a sitting judge was murdered in Wanaque, NJ. in 1974. He was shot by a .22 rifle from outside the building by a 19 year old who was ejected from the courtroom for disruptive behavior. This was in a very peaceful quiet town far from the inner city violence of much of NJ.
I'll reserve comment on the "Laws for thee but not for me".
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It might interest a few of you youngin's to know that until comparatively recently-unless you were in custody- one could walk into most any courthouse and courtroom without any security checks. In the courthouse I was most familiar with, the Sheriff's Office had a room with gun lockers for those LLEOs who had to enter court rooms (appearing as witnesses) to stash their sidearms.
Faulkner
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In a room where emotions, anger, and desperation are often at their peak I'm okay with only the judge and bailiffs being armed.
Having sat as a juror a bit I've seen some very unhappy, very large and dangerous critters quite unhappy with being sentenced. I'll state that if I was a judge, I Would be armed-all the time. There are a bunch of two legged animals out there. Oh, and it'd be with something a lot more serious than an old Remington 2 banger
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Courthouses are dangerous places. If you are not a Lawman you don't get it.
A close friend transferred to the Sheriff and working Bailiff in the Court was stabbed in the throat by the husband in a Divorce Case. The man got a knife in. The bad guy died in the Court Room.
A Los Angeles street gang was initiating a thug. Officer Thomas J. Steiner CHP was gunned down in front of a Pomona courthouse. Steiner had finished testifying in a series of traffic cases.
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I'll reserve comment on the "Laws for thee but not for me" too.
One time in court, a juvie tried to get the gun off of a deputy. A tussel started. A 100lb. female PO jumped in over the top and bashed little Johnnie's head into a table. Last time anyone went to see the judge W/O cuffs and a belly belt.
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