I got a DENIED the other day...

[Bald1]

my apologies. I met to say in NY.

 

[desi2358]

We had a regular customer at the store who always went through the Federal background check without issue...... Until he suddenly started getting delayed every time. He got tired of the delays and applied for the UPIN number which put an end to the delays. The most he could get out of the people he dealt with as to why the sudden delays was that many small departments were upgrading their records (this was @ 2006) and something one of them entered was causing a false hit on his name.

 

[jimmyj]

When Agencies used the "Soundex" system a lot of denials were comman.
I am white but a black man in a different part of the state was forever being arrested for domestic battery, thus I got denied. The black man was a different race, age, social security number, height and weight but our names were similar.

 

[BillsCamino]

All the more reason to get a CCW permit...at least here in GA.
No background check nonsense req'd

 

[AudieMurphy]

Let us know how it shoots and how you like it. Too bad for the background check run-around, but these things sometimes happen. At least it was quickly resolved.

to prevent this...get a UPIN number, Because it happened to me frequently...and embarrasing in a crouded store....You'd think that your SSN would work but apparently not...after I received my UPIN number I as never denied again....delayed yes probably because of heavy volume of applications

 

[65-2x2]

I have an uncommon surname, I do add my SSN, so my approvals come within seconds. The only time I ever got an eyelid raised was when I bought three pistols in one day from two different shops. It was sorted quickly and I went on my merry way.

 

[LVSteve]

Do they even look at the SSN?

Real bad actors will go to the dark web to find somebody with the same name and use their SSN. It says that an SSN is not a valid form of ID on the SSN card, but many parts of the idiocracy seem to think it is.

 

[LVSteve]

Back several years, each time I bought a gun, my check came back conditional. Big box stores will not release the gun. My LGS, just said don't make me come back to your house for this. I learned about getting a Unique PIN and received one. Never an issue since. I never learned why either. I just assumed it had something to do with my new job and upgraded security clearance (TS-SCI) as it never happened until then. Now that I am retired, wonder if it will follow me? Any security people on here know?

This seems to imply that if you have a high clearance, the FBI system comes back with "Who's asking and why" response.

As for how long it can be getting your background check processed, go with a Green Card and a fistful of proofs of residency, or a foreign passport and a hunting license. I usually went to the local fast food place for a leisurely lunch.

 

[max]

I have had my 365 for a couple of years and really like it. I sent it back to Sig this year and they replaced the dead front night sight.

 

[Bald1]

Real bad actors will go to the dark web to find somebody with the same name and use their SSN. It says that an SSN is not a vlaid form of ID on the SSN card, but many parts of the idiocracy seem to think it is.

I always hear about this "dark web" but don't know how to get there???????

 

[Timothy2700]

I just assumed it had something to do with my new job and upgraded security clearance (TS-SCI) as it never happened until then. Now that I am retired, wonder if it will follow me? Any security people on here know?

I am not a security person but to add my related perspective- I've purchased a number of firearms when I held a TS-SCI, and more after retirement (the clearances ended when I retired). Never an issue before or after.

 

[wood714]

I always hear about this "dark web" but don't know how to get there???????

Get a free copy of TOR browser, a VPN will also be needed.

 

[ameridaddy]

I've been bit by the Sig 365 bug recently. First a 365-380, and the other day I decided to get one in 9mm. Filled out the paperwork and looked around to see if there was anything else I couldn't live without. After about 20 minutes one of the young fellows who works there came up with a really confused look and said..."You got denied?" He was more confused than I was I think. I've got a pretty common name, so this kind of thing happens. Although not this specific one. Then he gave me a phone number to call at the state police and talk to them about it.

Called the state police (Virginia State Police run the background check) and talked to a supervisior. He said there were three assualt charges showing on my record. Well, they ain't mine I told him. He said he'd check. Hold on a few minutes.

About ten minutes later I see the gun shop guy coming with the gun and paperwork. He said "We got an "approved" (or whatever the word actually is) and you're ready. He did some mumbo jumbo on the paperwork and I paid, and headed out the door. My phone rang. It was the fellow from the state police, apologizing for the mix-up. No explanation of what happened, but then I didn't really press it. I had the same thing happen some years ago when DMV credited me with a string of tickets in North Carolina and got my car insurance canceled. Got that situation straight too, with no real problems. When you got a name as common as "Bob Jones" you get used to it.

Yes, yes...it shouln't have happened, but it did, people make mistakes, and it got corrected quickly. No harm, no foul.

Oh the Sig? One of the NRA editions. I'd never heard of it until I got this one.

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Now to get it to the range and shoot it this morning.

That's a little disturbing, but glad you came out OK. It sounds like you have a doppelganger floating around. Do you use your middle name or initial? Perhaps that might separate you from him. If I might ask, where did you buy that nice pistol? Greentop? Moates or....?

 

[CajunBass]

I got it at Green Top. Degoff's has been gone for years. I miss it. I bought some of my first guns there. That old man taught me how to buy a used gun and that was a whole new world.

I did everything just the way I've done it for about 50 years. Full name, drivers license, and CHP. Just one of those bumps in the road.

I thought about getting a pin number back during the Obama panic days, but never bothered. I doubt I'll be buying anywhere near as many guns these days so it's not a big deal now.

 

[usmcsgt]

I'm a former intelligence officer and special security officer (SSO), never had any issues buying firearms- but when working special access programs with "continuous vetting" surveillance I have had federal agents I worked with comment "hey why was xyz agency running a check on you last week? Also crossing borders on vacation one time the border patrol inspector scanned my civilian passport and said welcome home captain. So apparently all the federal databases cross reference.

 

[Lt.Donn]

I've been bit by the Sig 365 bug recently. First a 365-380, and the other day I decided to get one in 9mm. Filled out the paperwork and looked around to see if there was anything else I couldn't live without. After about 20 minutes one of the young fellows who works there came up with a really confused look and said..."You got denied?" He was more confused than I was I think. I've got a pretty common name, so this kind of thing happens. Although not this specific one. Then he gave me a phone number to call at the state police and talk to them about it.

Called the state police (Virginia State Police run the background check) and talked to a supervisior. He said there were three assualt charges showing on my record. Well, they ain't mine I told him. He said he'd check. Hold on a few minutes.

About ten minutes later I see the gun shop guy coming with the gun and paperwork. He said "We got an "approved" (or whatever the word actually is) and you're ready. He did some mumbo jumbo on the paperwork and I paid, and headed out the door. My phone rang. It was the fellow from the state police, apologizing for the mix-up. No explanation of what happened, but then I didn't really press it. I had the same thing happen some years ago when DMV credited me with a string of tickets in North Carolina and got my car insurance canceled. Got that situation straight too, with no real problems. When you got a name as common as "Bob Jones" you get used to it.

Yes, yes...it shouln't have happened, but it did, people make mistakes, and it got corrected quickly. No harm, no foul.

Oh the Sig? One of the NRA editions. I'd never heard of it until I got this one.

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Now to get it to the range and shoot it this morning.

That's why I love Georgia...if you have a CHL...no cks, just a quick 4473 and out the door you go

 

[SASFixer]

Do they even look at the SSN?

With Federal NICS background people the SSN means nothing, that's why this information is optional.

 

[McChemist]

Warrant hits on NCIC can often return with a completely different name from that which was entered.
The DOB is also searched and if the same can show a HIT from a person with a completely different name, but same DOB.

To make it more confusing, the inquiry also will search any alias names.
So if for instance a bad guy happened to use your real name as his alias at one time,,the HIT comes back.
If you have an alias, same thing, it may be the name of a person in NCIC pegged with a warrant.
Alias names can be as common as using Jim for James. A slightly different spelling in a last name. Capitalizing a letter within in the spelling of a last name, but then another spelling where that letter is lower case.

The DOB search is set and can be re-set to different parameters.
It can search +/- number of months,,day,,yr from the entered inquiry and usually does.

People trying to hide often change DOB, but use some of the same numerals for ease of remembering quickly.
Searches were often done on switched, reversed numerals and the like as well..

If there's a warrant for someone in the system, the name maybe completely different, but if their DOB on the warrant falls within the parameter of the DOB search,,you get a HIT.

The system searches only the first 3 of the first name, first 5 of the last name, and the mid initial (or at least it used to). Most DMV searches are set up that way as well.
Any name in the system that matches that parameter will show a HIT even though the rest of the spelling can be completely different.

A SS# is not an ID# like a DL#. It is used to compare to a SS#'s that can appear on someone's Criminal Record/Warrant info.
But a SS# is not always on that info. Not everyone has a SS#, nor wants one.

The unique identifier code seems like the way to go. I use my GA WCL/CCW permit as an identifer

 

[kirkcdl]

I don't know if it's allowed in other states,but in Oregon,if you use your CHL as ID instead of your DL,you move to the front of the line,plus it prevents misidentification...

 

[us69mc]

On the ATF form 4473, box #17 asks for your "Unique Personal Identification Number" (UPIN) or your "Appeals Management Database Identification" (AMD ID) if applicable. You might want to look into applying for these to alleviate the confusion with the bad guys that have your same name.

Stolen IDs and identities will get same response.