Back in the days of cops carrying revolvers what would a S&W model 28 have been carried in? I have a nice 4" 28-2 with an "S" serial number on the way to my local FFL and I would like to order some leather to go with it.

Bill Jordan "Border Patrol" rig


If you wanted to go a little fancier, you might do something like this by forum
member Dave Keith.

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My mother was a sheriff's deputy and carried a 28-2 in a bianchi smooth black "gun belt". The department reissued model 19's and changed rigs to basket weave style. Not sure if this is what you are looking for. I'm sure many departments had different rigs. Would love to see some pic's when you get it!

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I would have answered this by saying in a swivel holster of some make, Safety Speed, Don Hume, Bucheimer, Safariland, Bianchi, etc. Most officers just did not have enough "rise" to allow the Jordan holster to comfortably clear the seat in the car. Of course, that was not a problem for Bill as he easily stood 6'6" tall, even into his 70s and beyond when most men "shrink" in height a little due to the compression of the space between the vertebrae.

The picture in Iggy's post actually shows the Askins Border patrol holster, similar to the Patton design, not the Jordan holster; the difference between it and the Jordan being the leather that goes around, but does not cover the trigger guard. Bill Jordan describes, in his book No Second Place Winner, I believe, the modifications he made to the Askins that resulted in the Jordan.

I would have posted this one but it had a Colt in it.

I carried a Model 58 a mighty lot of miles in an old Border Patrol holster.
Still carry an N frame S&W in one similar to the Keith holster pictured in the previous post.

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Thank you gentlemen! I'll definitely post pictures when I get my HP in.

Hey Iggy,
Those are some NICE GRIPS TOO!

Texas DPS used the Askins style Border Patrol one in the first pic. The Jordan may have been allowed. Don't recall. Gun was indeed the M28. Texas Rangers were issued M-19's. Don't know about issued Ranger leather, but most bought their own leather and usually, the guns, mainly .357's and Colt Govt. Model .45's.

Some forces, like in Washington, had six-inch barrels and often wore crossdraw rigs, some open-fronted and spring loaded. I saw some in Denver in the 1960's, too.

Dallas PD used the first sort, but most of the gun-savvy cops bought the Jordan or high riding items like Safariland's old Model 29. El Paso still makes one like it. Six and 6.5 inch barrels were fairly common among these guys.

Does anyone know of a modern source for a border patrol or Jordan rig? I have been doing google searches and the closest thing I have found so far is El Paso Saddlery's Patton holster.

I don't know who makes a 'Border Patrol' style now 'n days.....

I've worn this'n for a spell back in the old days.




For style and comfort, I wear something like this now'n days..........




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The rig and gun in that picture belong to Dave (keith44spl) Keith. If I recomember right, the grips are some made by Keith Brown.

The previous post by Dave gives you another sample of his wares.

Now me, I carry this one.

Do we see a pattern developing here?

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hi guys just curious on what the duty rigs would been issued circa 1942 , I just recently bought a Colt New Service in the serial number range issued to the Texas Highway patrol. please post, robbt

Without knowing what the THP would have used, popular in the West for coppers in the 1940s would have been the Jewett clamshell (swivel), the Hoyt forward draw, the Myres Askins (the Jordan is 1950s), the Safety Speed swivels. Companies that existed then also included Heiser, Bucheimer and Lawrence, but none were known for police holsters in the West in that era. Companies like Bianchi et al. are 1960s. It's always possible that the THP were influenced by other agencies like the Texas Rangers, who used their own style that is variously called the Austin or Brill holster (always a high ride).

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I'm not sure if this S&W holster would have been used?worn by Law Enforcement folks or not.
It's certainly sturdy enough to stand up to every day use, but it's large, thick (from the belt outward) and being a double retention style it probably didn't stay in use for long.
The mdl # is: B501 24W
Black basket weave.
I'd offered this for sale before on this forum.

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Dunno of any current makers, but an eBay search under " vintage leather holster" might turn up a NOS or like-new one.

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Patented around 1980, it is indeed a uniform holster. The Bianchi 350 Hurricane was developed to compete with it and had its own patent.

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2ndAmendmentNut I have recently looked at both Askins and Jordan
Border Patrol holsters on ebay. The difference is quite subtle. Iggy's
#2 above is Askins. #5 is Jordan.
Just go to ebay and enter Myres
holster. The Askins model looks to be in fairly good condition, if it
will fit your gun.

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Here a basketweave Myres holster with a model 28 in it.

G.F. Cake was a police supply house that retailed different makers' holsters. This one is stamped M 4 for Magnum 4"; it has a sewn in target sight protector.


This lined Audley holster fits a 4" N frame.

Heiser called this their State Patrol model. Advertised as a cross-draw holster to be worn on a Sam Browne belt. It was first listed in catalog # 50 after WW II.
And this Brill would probably fit that New Service.

Regards,
turnerriver

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If you use a Bill Jordan holster watch where you walk. I laughed at another Sgt. when he stepped in an old well, holster caught on the edge rode up and the M-10 was jammed up and broke two ribs. A few years later I stepped in a hole at an accident scene same thing but I only broke 1. His turn to laugh.

I always wore Safariland Model 29 or Bianchi 5BHL lined with K, L and N framed revolvers. The high ride made it easier to wear in a car and you could cover the grip with your elbow to keep idle hands away from it and make sure the gun was still there. Black, basketweave.

SORRY. Better late than never?

Your S&W 28-2 Highway Patrolman would have been built between
1961 and 1969.

Officers in uniform would frequently be seated in an automobile,
so here are a few that would have been appropriate at that time.

Left: The Hoyt Cross Draw that Red mentioned.

Center: The Bucheimer Patrolman. The swivel could be un-snapped
when getting in the vehicle.

Right: Bianchi's 2800 "Judge" introduced in 1974. Used by the
California Highway Patrol.

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LOVE THE BRILL!!!

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Does anyone know the holster that was used by Texas DPS Officers to carry model 28's in the 1980's?

It looked to me like Askins' design for the Border Patrol. Some may have carried Jordan versions, although I don't recall seeing any. I have a Hume Jordan model and knew Bill Jordan slightly and have his book, No Secod Place Winner (autographed). I think I'd have noticed a Jordan, but may just not have seen one on a DPS guy.

I THINK they all had to wear that issued holster. Maybe someone else knows more. But it's all I ever saw on highway patrolmen.

Texas Rangers have much more latitude in weapons and holsters. Don't know about game wardens, the other state cops.


Dallas PD also had more latitude and some wore six-inch barreled M-27 and M-28 and M-19's. One holster I recognized was Safariland's Model 29. El Paso makes basically an identical one as Model 2.


Some Dallas officers had Model 29 .44's. I met one who used his to shoot a fleeing felon four times through the back, out the chest. Man ran for a couple of blocks before dropping. That officer thought it over and went to a M-19 .357.

My first duty holster, Bianchi Model 350 Hurricane, semi-break front security holster. Circa 1984. They were made for N frames also. Don't know if Texas DPS used them.

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Yup. Been there, done that, liked those holsters. Also used the Bianchi 5BHL for a Ruger GP-100, but usually wore S&W's.

When the Iowa Highway Patrol was started patrolman carried their gun on the right side. Early on a patrolman was transporting a suspect who got the patrolman's gun and shot and killed him. The Patrol went to a left side butt forward holster and used this style until they changed to semi autos in 1990s

Resurrecting an old thread, but this discussion recalls a trip between Lubbock and Arizona - me and my host sister, skipping school to go for a road trip.
We got pulled over by a DPS Trooper (raybans and stetson, natürlich) and I have a vivid recollection of him in the mirror, unsnapping his Askins-style holster whilst strolling up to the car. It made an impression on me - having come from a country with an (to this day) unarmed Police force.

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I have that exact holster, I got it with a pre model HP. It did not however come with such gorgeous stocks. Slobber

Florida Highway Patrol used three inch gun belt with a cross draw holster in the "Revolver Days".
When FHP went to "Autos" the holsters were "Strong Side" security type.

My first Sgt. wore a Bucheimer Patrolman and one of my first partners used a Bianchi Judge. I carried a Bianchi Hurricane semi break front. All used concurrently in the early eighties.

One of the oldie TV channels has the old "Highway Patrol" program on. It follows the CA highway patrol. The principle uniformed officer has a clamshell holster with what looks like a 6" K frame.

Highway Patrol armed the uniformed officers with 6 inch Colt OP's in clam shell holsters but also swivel holsters and spring-post cross draw holsters depending on the year. We've previously had a lot of fun on the topic.

PS: Note the familiar face in the hat and suit.

PS: the guy who copied my A-12 and HP work on his web site should get the details right.

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hi , what is spring-post cross draw holsters ?
could you please post a picture ??

In the early 80's Texas DPS began transitioning away from the Jordon style holster to a straight drop thumb snap, similar to the Hume735. I think this was a Carl Martin designed holster. At least some of the ones I've seen were marked "CM". DPS retired the model 28 during this time period and the last issue revolvers were S&W 586's. All the 586 weapons were issued with the new straight drop holster.

I think you are familiar with them! Borrowing your pictures.

The original Clark Combat design with a spring and screw adjustment.



As opposed to such as the Clark 999 spring holster without a screw, as then made by Bucheimer-Clark, copied by Lewis and then later when Earl Clark designed for Safarliland.