CROSS DRAW HOLSTER USERS?

UNCLE PAULY

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Tend to buy a holster for each gun I buy, even guns I might not ever carry.

Was looking at the EPS 1930 Austin holster and noticed the cross draw option. This would be for a 1980 S&W 520 NYSP (4" N frame revolver) I recently purchased.

The thought occurred to me that cross draw might be a more comfortable option for this gun when driving or seated given the gun's large size. I'm 6'-1" and 280# and left handed but shoot right handed (right eye dominant).

Would like to hear from those who do or have carried using a cross draw holster. What are the pros and cons?

Thanks, Paul
 
Paul,
I use a pancake (Keith44spl) in crossdraw position for my 3 1/2 mdl. 27 under dress or sport coat, windbreaker.
At nearly the 3o'clock on my left. I'm Not a large guy and it conceals well, comfortable driving, climbing in and out of airplane, doesn't get in the way of a seat belt.
 
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I have used several Bianchi 111s ..... as field holsters for K L and N frame Smiths...... not the best for true Concealed Carry.......

About 2 years ago I got 2 Kirkpatrick TCD for my 6906 and Beretta 92 Compact.......better for CC carried between 8 and 9 O'clock...... work well for driving..... if I were to do it again for CC carry I'd get a more vertical holster.... and give up a bit of draw speed.

MY preference for CC is IWB at 4 O'clock................
 
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Crossdraw is a good set-up for a lot of time behind the wheel, i.e., security detail driver or surveillance.

I don't like it for most everything else; it's longer to draw and present, and if not well-concealed makes for an easier grab for an attacker in a frontal assault.

In very low threat lifestyles, fine if it's a preference, just not mine.

If I recall, Bill Jordan was strongly against crossdraw, but I believe that largely applied to law enforcement needs...
 
As others have noted, it is often good choice for those who are "chairborne," whether that is behind the wheel or behind a desk. I have an El Paso Saddlery cross-draw that does a good job with a Colt Lawman snub.
 
I like it for hunting, and other activities afield. It keeps it out of the way better. For example, when hunting, the pistol is on the left hip, and the rifle slung over right shoulder.

This is really the only time I carry cross-draw, my 4" 629. Otherwise I carry strong side.
 
For me, concealed cross draw is useless, as it makes the butt stick way out.
 
Driving

I like cross draw when I know I will be driving all day. Take a look at the EPS Double Agent. Think it will be a better option than the Austin for your Model 520. Good Luck!
Here is mine with a Cousin to your Model 520. A Model 581 in a EPS Double Agent in cross draw mode. Rides high and pretty tight.
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It doesn't ever hit right for me, sticks out too far.....and I have a lot of property to cross to get to a cross draw fro that matter.
 
I like cross draw carry, and it’s all about training.

I like cross draw carry. It takes a different training regimen than strong side carry, but train for it you can.

Bill Jordan didn’t like cross draw, and in his time for good reason. I was on an “acquaintance” basis with Bill, having chatted for a while with him a couple of times. He was a great person, friendly, very skilled and knowledgeable as a lawman and shooter, and I had/have great respect for him. Attached below is the page from “No Second Place Winner” (from an open source, and free site) that has his cross draw photos and comment:

1. His information on this is dated though. In Bill’s days, handcuffing a prisoner from the front, placing a prisoner in the front seat, and facing nose to nose with said prisoner was not uncommon. Since I first went to a reserve academy and in the many years since, I have never handcuffed a prisoner from the front, placed a prisoner in the front seat, or went nose to nose with such a prisoner; and I’ve never seen it done by another officer because we aren’t trained to do it that way- it’s not considered the safest way to handcuff or transport a prisoner.

2. I find cross draw easier to defend from a snatch attempt. I’ve had several trainings on defending a strong side carried gun (butt of gun best presented to someone behind me) and I’ve taken to training on defending a cross draw carried gun (butt of gun best presented to someone in front of me). I’ve discovered that with my head, arms and hands, legs, knees and feet designed to best address a threat from the front of me, the cross draw carry is easier for me to protect. I have my eyes, forehead, teeth, a hand, plus a knee or a foot to counter attack the threat all while the other hand is clamping down on my handgun; try doing all of that with someone behind you.

3. I find cross draw carry easier to draw from using either hand. A couple times in the past my departments firearms training included a required “your gun arm is injured or engaged; draw your handgun from the holster using your support hand”. Let me tell you something, especially from a level two or level three security holster, this is anywhere from darn difficult to darn near impossible to do. Cross draw is a piece of cake in comparison.

4. With the correct training, drawing from cross draw is no more likely to cause me to sweep a part of my body or another person than a strong side draw. The basic draw is: I lift my left hand up to just above my left shoulder as my right hand reaches across for my holstered handgun. My right hand lifts the gun out of the holster, and then pushes the muzzle of the gun down and out forward (not out to the side). As the gun is leveling toward the threat/target, my forearm is rotated at the elbow to bring the sights up to their proper position. My left hand has pushed out to meet up with and support my right hand. Since my left arm is above the right hands movements, no part of my body is swept. Since the muzzle of the gun is not swept out to the side, no non-threats/targets are swept. This is faster when demonstrated than when told.

It’s all about training.
 

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Tend to buy a holster for each gun I buy, even guns I might not ever carry.

I DO THAT, TOO!!! :)

It’s all about training.

I clicked "like" on a number of the replies - cross draw is not for everyone. I deliberately bought an El Paso Saddlery cross draw rig to carry my Model 27 in for a cross country trip. For a long drive it's VERY convenient. If I was driving for a living I'd do it, too.

For cowboy action shooting I occasionally used a cross draw rig for my second gun. It's not "street" and you MUST turn your body to avoid sweeping anyone - on the street there are no range officers to ding you if you sweep someone, even yourself. You just MUST be aware of the difference between strong side presentation and cross draw presentation.

ASA335's comments are well put. If you train, and understand what you committed to, it can be done. I only have done it when I wasn't driving long distance - and not counting CAS - very rarely.
 
I like cross draw carry. It takes a different training regimen than strong side carry, but train for it you can.

Bill Jordan didn’t like cross draw, and in his time for good reason. I was on an “acquaintance” basis with Bill, having chatted for a while with him a couple of times. He was a great person, friendly, very skilled and knowledgeable as a lawman and shooter, and I had/have great respect for him. Attached below is the page from “No Second Place Winner” (from an open source, and free site) that has his cross draw photos and comment:

1. His information on this is dated though. In Bill’s days, handcuffing a prisoner from the front, placing a prisoner in the front seat, and facing nose to nose with said prisoner was not uncommon. Since I first went to a reserve academy and in the many years since, I have never handcuffed a prisoner from the front, placed a prisoner in the front seat, or went nose to nose with such a prisoner; and I’ve never seen it done by another officer because we aren’t trained to do it that way- it’s not considered the safest way to handcuff or transport a prisoner.

2. I find cross draw easier to defend from a snatch attempt. I’ve had several trainings on defending a strong side carried gun (butt of gun best presented to someone behind me) and I’ve taken to training on defending a cross draw carried gun (butt of gun best presented to someone in front of me). I’ve discovered that with my head, arms and hands, legs, knees and feet designed to best address a threat from the front of me, the cross draw carry is easier for me to protect. I have my eyes, forehead, teeth, a hand, plus a knee or a foot to counter attack the threat all while the other hand is clamping down on my handgun; try doing all of that with someone behind you.

3. I find cross draw carry easier to draw from using either hand. A couple times in the past my departments firearms training included a required “your gun arm is injured or engaged; draw your handgun from the holster using your support hand”. Let me tell you something, especially from a level two or level three security holster, this is anywhere from darn difficult to darn near impossible to do. Cross draw is a piece of cake in comparison.

4. With the correct training, drawing from cross draw is no more likely to cause me to sweep a part of my body or another person than a strong side draw. The basic draw is: I lift my left hand up to just above my left shoulder as my right hand reaches across for my holstered handgun. My right hand lifts the gun out of the holster, and then pushes the muzzle of the gun down and out forward (not out to the side). As the gun is leveling toward the threat/target, my forearm is rotated at the elbow to bring the sights up to their proper position. My left hand has pushed out to meet up with and support my right hand. Since my left arm is above the right hands movements, no part of my body is swept. Since the muzzle of the gun is not swept out to the side, no non-threats/targets are swept. This is faster when demonstrated than when told.

It’s all about training.

Each of your points were made by my present training program. We carry either appendix, cross draw or shoulder holster. Shoulder holster least of all. (Me, never)This because of the nature of job calls for our hands to be above our waist at all times when with protectee or around any unknown persons, and we wear cover (jacket, sport coat, windbreaker.)

This is a 3 1/2 in Nframe sq. butt. A larger weapon than I carry usually on the job.
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Falco Holsters makes a pretty nice crossdraw with a good rake to it. Seems like about 45 degrees. It's a long holster front-to-back along the belt, so it's not for everybody. I got one for my 3" K-frames, and it's very comfortable. Here's their catalog photo. About $58 plus shipping.
 

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THANK YOU ALL!
A lot of great information presented by all of you.
Very much appreciate the time you took to answer me.

I never intended to CC the model 520 as it is too big and I have J & K frames and 45 autos for CC.
I have been wanting a 1930 Austin holster since I first saw one and the model 520 is the right gun for one.
Being left handed and right eye dominant, I have learned to shoot both left and right handed and have holsters for both.

Always liked the idea of a cross draw holster and so I decided to buy one.
Tonight I ordered the EPS 1930 Austin with cross draw cant in russet with basket weave. Will post pictures but should look like this:
(Borrowed this picture of holster with model 29-2 from forum member Doc44, thanks Bill)

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