Do they make a high rise OWB holster for the j frame 442 so you don't have to wear really long T shirts.

I have definitely seen high riding J frame holsters. Galco probably makes one. Yup, quick Google search led me here: Silhouette High Ride Belt Holster

I don't know, but my thought is that J Frames go in pocket holsters, never on the belt. That said, I think the holster used by Andy in NYPD Blue to carry his two-inch Model 36 rode very high. In case you did not watch the show, Andy is on the left.

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David Caruso's holster is not low, either. John Kelly in NYPD Blue.

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Curious viewpoint! High riding J frames are as old as J frames, here's the owner of Evaluator Ltd's baby 36, one of the very first ever, in her Berns-Martin 'Lightning' belt holster (cprrection, hers is the Triple Draw with buckles to attach a shoulder harness). March 1951 for her revolver. Another 36 is shown in her holster which is in turnerriver's collection, the revolver itself is owned by another forum member.

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Flora Van Orden’s Chiefs Special holster has been reunited with her revolver, the collector who has her revolver now owns her holster too.
She could have attached her holster to a cotton webbing shoulder strap with the brass buckles but reportedly wore it on her belt. I’ve heard at least one story of her entertaining a visiting FBI agent with her skill.
Here is the Berns-Martin I ordered when I was 16.

Regards,

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Nothing like genuine OEM leather for the gun/leather rig! This one was made by S&W when they had their Lillington, North Carolina factory.

I don't know the year, but I believe the factory was sold to G & G who continued making leather for S&W but branded with their own logo.

You Members who are leather experts can correct me if my above statements are not correct.

This holster has ridden high on my Galco very stiff black gun belt for many, many years with M36, M-60, and M-637-2, at 4 o'clock.

EDC replaced with M&P 2.0 Compact in Kydex a couple years ago, but "ol standby" could still perform duty anytime, anywhere.

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A Roy Baker pancake rides high, if you can find one. Mine is not for sale.

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Thanks John, I corrected my post! Hers indeed is a Triple Draw not a Lightning. Still, worn high on the belt with the cylinder coplanar with the belt's width, which is ideal for balance of a revolver.

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Even when using a high rise holster, it's good to have a bit more T shirt length as insurance that Roscoe won't peek out. There are times you will raise your arms over your head, pick something up from the floor, etc and a little extra length and bagginess is not really a bad thing. When toting, we can not always dress like a fashion designers drawing with tight clothing.

I was a businessman living most of my adult life in the liberal antigun Northeast part of the Country. I carried every day (legally of course) and to the best of my knowledge, no person ever spotted me carrying - at least that I am aware of. I always made sure to wear clothing that would insure it. Pocket carry is excellent for said purposes and for 40+ years I carried a M60 J frame in pockets, angle holsters and OWB holsters when wearing a suit or sports jacket. Shoulder holsters were never my thing as I always found them extremely uncomfortable and precluded me from removing a jacket when hot.

This OWB pancake from Lobo Gun Leather rides plenty high to be covered by an untucked shirt.

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Since the Chief's Special is that early, the hammer was replaced at some time.

Why a OWB as it will never conceal as well as a many IWB or Aiwb holsters . I can conceal a lw commander under a relaxed fit Carhartt tshirt that fits well and I not a slim guy . I'm 5-9 and a fuzz and 210 . I carry at 3:00 wearing a very adjustable hybrid holster thats 18 years old but also have the same companies newer design hybrid for a m&p full size .

Just know that picking a holster that fills your needs well can be far harder than picking a handgun to carry and why most old CC folks have at least a small box of trial and error holsters . Good luck ! Nope I will not give you a name of the company .

Gould and Goodrich (G&G) is still open for business in Lillington, NC. Bob Gould sold it several years ago. It is now owned by Point Blank Enterprises.

If they make revolver holsters, I can't find them on their website. They may still make them and I'm just not good enough at navigating the website to find them.

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For when I OWB, I find that the Galco Combat Master and Concealable ride plenty high to keep a 2” barrel from peaking out. However, 99% of the time I carry in a shoulder rig - can’t get a much higher ride than that. A light Hawaiian type shirt works great.

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The Ritchie Leather Co. Inc. vertical speed scabbard is a really nice unit for j-frames. High and tight.

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For Uniformed Officers it went in the pocket as a BUG. Detectives wore it on the belt. Detectives sometimes carried two revolvers back when only revolvers were approved.

flhr95 Don Humes 721 might work for you.

I envy you. I have yet to find a shoulder rig that fits my body shape - and I've tried a BUNCH of them.
I'm VERY barrel-chested - and by that I mean my chest is almost as "deep" as it is wide.
That means my shoulders are relatively narrow, compared to the width of my chest and hips.
For you lucky guys with the classic "wedge" shape - shoulders wider than hips and a chest that is significantly wider than it is deep, a shoulder rig works.
For guys built like me - not so much.

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You are not the only one. I am somewhat barrel-chested and I have found that strong side, belt carry is the most convenient and fastest access form of carry.

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I guess the shoulder holster crowd missed the fact the OP want's to conceal under a T-SHIRT . Not under a cover garment .

I despise AIWB and also dislike IWB carry. I EDC all year around OWB with a pancake holster. I'm a smaller guy and wear medium-sized off the rack t-shirts, and I've never had any issues concealing. I primarily carried a S&W Shield 9mm and Shield 45, Kahr K9 and K40, S&W model 640 Pro, 3" 60-15, and 2.5" 686, and a Springfield Hellcat over the years this way.

I've tried every type of holsters and have carried in every position possible with the exception of drop leg and shoulder holsters. All I buy and will use are leather OWB pancake holsters as they are the most comfortable, fastest draw, and keeps the gun tucked in close to the body. I also don't have to buy pants that have an oversized waist.

[QUOTE=Well Armed;142008713]I despise AIWB and also dislike IWB carry. I EDC all year around OWB with a pancake holster. I'm a smaller guy and wear medium-sized off the rack t-shirts, and I've never had any issues concealing. I primarily carried a S&W Shield 9mm and Shield 45, Kahr K9 and K40, S&W model 640 Pro, 3" 60-15, and 2.5" 686, and a Springfield Hellcat over the years this way.
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Its to bad you limited yourself to (off the rack t- shirts) as there quality can be lacking to some brands for fit and material weight . I have some that area well warn but close to 20 years old but I don't wear them away from our property any more .

Your 2.5" 686 is rather thick large handgun for a small guy unless clothing is loose fitting . The 2.5" 686 is longer , wider , taller and heavier than an alloy frame 4" or 4.5" 1911 like my lw commander too !

I buy pants that fit well with no iwb holster when I try on something new. I don't wear skinny jeans but do have dress pants and shirts , square bottom of course but use to tuck in some before I had emergence colostomy surgery some 10 years ago and my pistols are thinner than your revolvers so maybe thats why I can IWB carry them well .

Just don't assume you have all the answers covered as it takes time and luck in finding a good concealable way to carry then plenty of practice to be fast on the draw from any concealable carry . I also hate AIWB but many like them so options are there Like then or Not !!

I still have one pancake holster from wright leather works tried like but after a month of weekend practice , it stays in my little holster box . Did not conceal better for me .

Man you most have spent a ton of money if you tried all the holsters out there in all the positions ? . I used 3 holsters over 37 years and tried 3 others . 2 of the 3 were sold to others . Still have a wright pan cake but I never found it to be better for dra fore drills or conceal as well .

For a IWB if you treat the leather parts against your body like a good saddle and they stay clean soft and last . My set up is comfortable to wear and I still find my self doing elbow checks at some point during a day to be sure my holster and handgun are still there so comfort most be purdy good for me . I find no difference in draw and fire times so maybe you did not give your self enough practice time ? An older NJ le the lived above use after retirement but a P99 to CC and retired is P7 he owned but carried as a LE . Ittook him several months to find to get use to a iwb but he really likes it over owb . Hes about 5-8 and maybe 150lb .

Seems like I always had a 1911 for carry starting with that little lard butt colt acp officers model I sold and bought my first allow framed commander a couple years later . A hand surgery construction related 12 or 13 years ago I had to move away from my tp40 kahr that was my primary carry at the time and da triggers in general were harder to work the trigger as smoothly as I hoped . I still CC a lw commander just a newer series 70 model now or a couple m&p's with apex fst trigger kits added for carry and shor lite trigger pulls . I have one compact 4" 9mm with a dot optic and thumb safety I might need for carry one day if my 40's and 45 become an issue . Keep on keep'n on well armed . Just don't be some closed minded . It can take weeks to become good with any new .

The only time I carry a J frame in a belt holster is when I'm driving for a long period of time. Otherwise, it goes in my pocket.

I have a paddle holster made by David Bullard, company name is now Busted B Leather, I think, his ex has his old name and holster company, and it rides fairly high and the best part is the retention strap goes over the trigger guard of my M649 so the shrouded hammer is not part of the retention issue.

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Lobo Gunleather makes one that puts it up pretty high.

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I’ve carried my J Frames in a Tex Shoemaker pancake holster over the last several years. It doesn’t extend lower than the belt line. I know they’re (unfortunately) out-of -business but they turn up occasionally on Ebay.

This is an OWB from Hunter holsters. I bought one for my Taurus 85UL and it sits pretty high.

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I Find that Simply Rugged made holsters ride nicely CCW for j frames

You really have to check to see if holsters made for medium & large framed revolvers are also made for small frames.

I don't often use belt holsters for my J's nowadays, but when I do, I have some leather (belt slide, paddle w/thumb snap & an old style 'detective' crossdraw pull-through), and a plastic paddle.

My slide style is an older Don Hume H710. They still make it, but instead of the covered tunnel loop slots, it now comes with simple open slots. No big deal.

It's actually on sale at the moment.
H710-BELT HOLSTER [H710] - $34.76 : Don Hume Leathergoods, Simply the Best!

Of course, it's open top and the only retention is the fit of the holster, and a bit of the tension of the belt pulling it against you. I don't wear mine and expect it to retain the weapon if I start rolling around on the ground, and I make sure I don't let chair arms snag on the grip and exert upward lift.

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I used to use a similar holster for my Centennial until I took my coat off in the tire store a few years ago and my revolver hit the floor. Fortunately it wasn’t busy at the time but I after that I went back to my Tex Shoemaker pancake with retention strap. Not a quick draw holster but it is secure.

Yep, it definitely requires checking each holster/snub combo to make sure sufficient tension was sewn into the holster. Then, periodic rechecks over time to make nothing has stretched and allowed the retention to become loose.

Shoemaker made excellently crafted and formed holsters. It was a shame when they closed. Good run, though.

I still have a Shoemaker paddle for my 3" heavy barreled RB J-frame. It's only gotten better fitting and sitting over time, too.

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I’ve have been looking hard for a OWB high or ultra high ride holster for a j frame. I remember Bianchi back in the day made a j frame ultra high ride OWN slide. No snap. Seems a lot of the old school
Leather makers are out of business and lured is the new in.

Yes.
But as Crazyphil once posted, its the details that matter in whether it will work for you. For example for him the Roy's Pancake (no longer in production) didn't work at all because the cylinder is mostly higher than the belt. But for me and my build, with a J-frame it works great. The lower part of the holster pushes the top inward - where the cylnder and butt can fit into my frame. The lower part of the holster goes below the belt line, but not too far, and does not show the outline of a barrel.

All of the above is about your body and work conditions.
Another detail is that with a hammerless _42 they can't use a thumbbreak that goes over the hammer for retention.
So the Galco linked in post 2 may or may not work.

Don Hume currently offers a OWB, but its more upright. The vertical cant has advantages and disadvantages. Of the ones I own, the Hume is easier to draw from than the Galcos - but in part that's due to the belt. The Galcos need a stiff 1.75" belt and more belt loops on the pants would help too. On the other hand the veritical holster at 3, o'clock doesn't hide the butt as well as a canted holster at 4 o'clock.

Another issue with one of the Galco's I have is the upper portions of the leather interfere with the initial grasp. I've thought about cutting it down, but may just sell it and try yet something else. The attached photos should help. I'm sorry I can't help on the vintage of the Galcos. I'm including a photo of the SSS to illustrate that not all of their holsters interfere with attaining a initial good grasp. I think it depends on both the model and when and where they were made.

Rusty Sherrick also offers high ride OWB holsters for J-frames. I haven't had an opportunity to handle or use one, but his workmanship seems to have a good rep.

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Ha. I missed that the OP started this thread almost a year ago.
Well the info I posted may help you too. If it has a hammer, your options a wider, especially if looking at older/used holsters.

All good info. Why start a new thread.

My carry of choice is a 442. Two points here, DeSantis makes an excellent OWB thumb break holster for a 442. The other point here is real NYPD cops invented the Hawaiian shirt for hiding snubbies in warm weather. Cooler weather is a flannel shirt or a vest.

Go to any cop picnic in the NY, NJ, CT area and you would think you stumbled onto the Big Island. The louder and more graphic the better it covers printing. This goes back long before Hawaii 5-0 was broadcast.

I carry a J-frame or Ruger LCR OWB in a regular DeSantis pancake holster. Both have sub-2" barrels. I'm a short and small guy. I wear regular plain-Jane medium or large T-shirts. I never had a problem with concealment UNLESS I wore a high-rise holster. I tried high-rise holsters, and the gun is NOT held as close or tight to the body. The top of the gun flops outward more AWAY from the body vs. a standard pancake holster. You can tell that something is there. Now, if you wear baggy, oversized Hawaiian or T-shirts multiple sizes too big, a high-rise holster might work, but I wear clothes that fit.

Here's my Silhouette High Ride holster that I purchased from a member here. It sucks. The grip and top of the revolver is NOT held close to the body. It sits away from the body pressing against the shirt. I have the same holster for my Springfield Arms 3" slide XD Mod 2. It sucked for that gun as well. Both holsters have been wasting away in storage in my big cardboard box of holsters.

Been carrying for 35 years. And NYPD did not invent anything but fat cops. Chicago PD- CPD invented the Hawaiian shirt and Baseball jersey cover that we gave Magnum PI to use. Enjoy.

Above is a joke! Laugh a little.

That's an inflammatory post:

We have several active and retired members of the NYPD here and pasting all of them with a broad and derogatory brush will not stand. Please keep this in mind when making future posts.

It’s a joke! From a fellow retiree! You have a lot of active and retired CPD here.

I know. I was being sarcastic. Inside joke. 🙂

If you like cross-draw, the DeSantis Roscoe is good to go.

Apparently they stopped a couple years ago, and nothing is currently listed for 42, 442 , or 642. Can you look to see the model name/number and fit number on the holster?