Best western movie ever?

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I was interested in the thread on the Sam Peckinpah movie "The Wild Bunch," which almost everyone will admit was a great western movie, certainly one of the best. William Holden and Ernie Borgnine were the standouts in the cast.

So as not to hijack that thread, I thought I'd get some views on what you consider to be the best western movie ever made.

Some come to mind - Shane, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, High Noon, The Man who killed Liberty Valence, The Searchers, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, Stagecoach, Unforgiven, Lonesome Dove, True Grit (both versions) The Shootist, etc. All great. But the best ever?

I'll start this off. My pick is Tombstone. Kurt Russell did a masterful job of portraying Wyatt Earp as a man with ice water in his veins, as a loyal brother, and as a man with an extremely vengeful nature. Val Kilmer did a superb job of playing the flawed, bucolic and ultimately doomed Doc Holliday. Technically, there were a few glitches (The Birdcage Theatre is shown when the Earps came into town, but it didn't exist until a bit later in Tombstone's history). The firearms used were authentic, and very well researched. The OK Corral fight was staged to be as close as possible to contemporary accounts of that fracas. All the characters were developed nicely, and their interplay fairly accurately depicted things as they were in the 1880s. The Clanton gang came across as really bad guys right from the opening scenes. I think the picture really gives you a flavor of Arizona Territory in the later years of the 1800s. True West magazine called it one of the 5 greatest Westerns ever made. It gets my vote and a hearty "well done." I don't think that it will ever be equaled.

Your mileage may vary. What do you say?

John
 
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My top 5

I cant narrow it to one so my top 5 (not neccessarliy in order)
1. The Long Riders
2. Big Jake
3. Once Upon A Time In The West
4. Tombstone
5. The Wild Bunch
 
I saw Tombstone when it played in first-run theaters, but haven't seen it since. I remember thinking it was good, but it didn't strike me as great. Maybe after a few more watchings.

One that has stuck with me was "Once Upon a Time in the West". The others that spring immediately to mind feature Clint Eastwood: "Josey Wales", "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", and "Unforgiven". There's probably no limit to how often I could watch those three.

Standing alone at the top of the heap for me is one starring Jeff Bridges, not "True Grit", but "Rancho Deluxe". Yup; that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.
 
Lonesome Dove is right up there for me. Tom Selleck & Sam Elliot made several outstanding westerns. Crossfire Trail, The Sacketts, & others. Open Range, with Kevin Costner & Robert Duvall was excellent, too. Hard to pin down just one, but IMHO, the newer Westerns are much better than the older ones, JMO. And although John Wayne may have been a fine person & all that, I'm sorry to say, I don't think much of his acting ability.
 
About Tombstone, you're right on about the three dementionality of the "bad" guys. I think a photo of Curley Bill Brocious doesn't exist and he's only popped up in a couple Earp movies just to get killed for our entertainment. but not in Tombstone. He was fleshed out and it showed his freindship with one of the lawmen, Billy Brekinridge. And the opening scene when it shows the gang and I saw his outfit with the crossed gunbelts and flamboyant boots with a hand of cards on each one..Wow! He was my favorite character of that movie among so many other great ones.
 
As most things tend to go, there are many old westerns I love that have many story or technical flaws that would preclude them from making my "best" listing; but as much as I like Eastwood and the "spaghetti westerns" they were quite fanciful and unrealistic.

I think he did much better on both counts in "The Outlaw Josey Wales".

But for story, star, action, and realistic human characters, I'll have to go with the Duke in his last, "The Shootist".

>THREAD HIJACK<
I really liked the treatment given the story in Bruce Willis' "Last Man Standing", since, it is a virtual remake of "A Fistful of Dollars", set in the Depression era instead of the 1880s. Arguably not a "western", you can't help but think of it that way since the characters and stories are identical.

OK - back to the discussion at hand ;):D
 
Greatest western

I'm your huckleberry. Also The Shootist, The Outlaw Josey Wales, Open Range, and how about Silverado and Rio Bravo?

Ok, maybe not 'greatest' but favoritist! :D
 
Well, there's so many truly excellent westerns that this one stands out from them all by itself (not becuase of it's excellence obviously). I feel that to pick only one of the great ones wouldn't be fair so I stand by my choice.
 
OK

6. The Shootist
I dont think it ranks among the best of all westerns, but it is probably one of the Duke's best, and the only one of his movies I got to see in a theatre when it was released.
 
My pick is Tombstone. Kurt Russell did a masterful job of portraying Wyatt Earp as a man with ice water in his veins, as a loyal brother, and as a man with an extremely vengeful nature. Val Kilmer did a superb job of playing the flawed, bucolic and ultimately doomed Doc Holliday. Technically, there were a few glitches (The Birdcage Theatre is shown when the Earps came into town, but it didn't exist until a bit later in Tombstone's history). The firearms used were authentic, and very well researched. The OK Corral fight was staged to be as close as possible to contemporary accounts of that fracas. All the characters were developed nicely, and their interplay fairly accurately depicted things as they were in the 1880s. The Clanton gang came across as really bad guys right from the opening scenes. I think the picture really gives you a flavor of Arizona Territory in the later years of the 1800s. True West magazine called it one of the 5 greatest Westerns ever made. It gets my vote and a hearty "well done." I don't think that it will ever be equaled.

Your mileage may vary. What do you say?

John

I thought it was interesting at the time that Costner's "Wyatt Earp" supposedly was first in production and the story I heard was that "Tombstone" was rushed to release first. "Tombstone" was technically more accurate than most any movie done on the subject so far and I agree that Russell made an iconic and memorable Earp. But I think as far as the flawed character of the man himself the nod would go to Costner's take of the character. But that's about all; "Wyatt Earp" was technically flawed with weapons being used before they were invented and such and the clothing styles and whatnot mirrored "movie western" more than the flavor of reality captured in "Tombstone". John Holliday was a very interesting character historically and I've read quite a bit about him. Some really big name actors have given their portrayal of him their best shot, but so far I think Kilmer "owns" that role with his interpretation.

As far as the "bad guys" and story line goes, both movies took liberties with the historical accounts, but there is a concerted effort in that area these days I'm told to try to change the popular conceptions that the Earps were the good guys and the Clantons and McLowerys were the bad, mostly from the descendents of the losers of the gun fight. No doubt the Earps and especially Wyatt, were not the totally virtuous types they are often made out to be, but one has to consider their bahavior in the context of the area and the times in which they lived.

Fascinating and unique period of history.
 
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