Zeiss 8x30 T*P*......?

Sprefix

US Veteran
Joined
Mar 1, 2009
Messages
2,916
Reaction score
1,103
Location
61N149W
So I was at a gun show some time ago and saw a set of binos' that I "dreamed" of as a kid. I always wanted what the cool guys on TV had. Upon listening to some old hands(local farmers) in the small town I went to high school in, I decided that Zeiss was the way to go. Several arguments were flying around when the senior of the bunch rattled off a few of his past in-state hunts and when he bagged his game. 8x30's were now the order of the day. Well, at $28.00 a week pay and driving a thirsty SS Nova, these didn't seem like they were anywhere in my future. Oh, I saved my corn and bean money from the summers, but it was not to happen. Fast forward to recently and the previously mentioned gun show. Twice I've seen these over a years time and at a good price. I called my shooting pard that is versed in these things and asked if I was getting Zeiss binos, what would be the best choice. He spit out 8x30 and away I went. They are as new in the box and with all proper papers and case, cover, and strap. I'm very happy. So, What are your favorite binos' and why? Cost? Quality? Weight? Size? Magnification? Lets hear it.........and Thanks:)
 
Hi Sprefix,

as a German S&W HE collector and although avid hunter I prefer Zeiss products. On all my rifles Zeiss variable telescopic sights (2,5-10 x 48 or 2,5-10 x 50) are mounted., I'm very satisfied with the performance and never had any problem.
For game observation I use a Zeiss Dialyt 8x56 (special night binculars) or a Zeiss Dialyt 7x42 which I can also highly recommend. My Zeiss 8x30 Dialyt is a perfect tool and used as a "day binoculars".

25 years ago I bought a Zeiss 10x40 Dialyt, which is also a very nice and makes good illustrations, but I sold it after a hunting trip in the mountains of Austria. The problem for me was, that the optical magnification was to big or to large and the shaking after strenuous climbing create headache.
My experience, never buy a binoculars with more than optical magnification factor 8 !!!! The elderly should not buy more than optical magnification factor 7 !!!!


Best regards from Germany
Paul SWCA # 1354
 
I use a Leica 8X32B/GA for most day use, with a Zeiss 10X40B/GA from the mid-1980's as a specalizd birding or extra power glass.

For astronomy, a Docter (correct spelling; it's a German family name) 15X60B/GA. That requires some support or a knowledgeable way of holding the instrument, or the view wobbles too much. A tripod solves that, of course.

For real value for money, I like the Swift Audubon 8.5X44 roof prism glass. I think it's still made. It's quite stylish. Don't confuse it with their simlarly named Porro model.

For an all-round binocular, if you often need brightness at dawn or dusk or will do some astronomy and birding, I suspect the 8X42's are best. If you wear eyeglasses, look for the B feature, which has a higher focus point within the eyepiece, and usually, retracting eyecups.

Perhaps the single best, brightest binocular that I've owned was a Zeiss 10X56B/GA Victory. I loved it for specialized use, but it was too big and heavy to be a "basic" binocular. My son traded me out of it for a rifle and a deer head. Had anyone else asked, I wouldn't have sold or traded.

The very latest Zeiss and Leica products are very expensive, indeed. Zeiss does make a Conquest 8X30, which may be what you have. That's their economy line, but good glasses, and you do get the Zeiss name on them. I would certainly choose a Conquest over many others in that price range.

As an outdoor writer for years, I had the opportunity to try many binoculars, including most all popular brands. About a decade ago, Zeiss USA hosted me and several other scribes on a field trip to Virginia, to a remote Army base with cabins. We stayed overnight and got several meals out of the deal, as well as quarters and an opportunity to hear lectures by a Zeiss physicist (sp?) from the factory, who taught a series of classes on binocular design, including the various types of prism and the relative advantages of each. We got to compare all of the best brands, side-by-side, in several comparable models. I have also had on loan such binoculars and compared them in the field for several months.

My subjective opinion (and I present it as that) is that Zeiss and the recent/current Leicas are neck-and-neck for most comparable models,with Swarovski next in line.

It says a lot about Zeiss that they let us try all of those glasses under various lighting conditions, including astro use under very dark skies, where their ability to gather faint starlight was crucial. They knew full well that no one else could best their performance! That was the point they wanted to make, I'm sure. I doubt that any other binocular company would let a group of writers have that experience, let alone taught college-level classes explaining so many facets of binocular design and selection. (Those classes were mainly for their senior sales reps.)

You can get some excellent binoculars from Nikon and a few others, some of which, like Fujinon, I haven't seen or tried. Most Japanese makes have a range of quality, at various prices. Buy their best, and you'll probably get a good glass.

Zeiss, Leica, and Swarovski have just one basic grade: the best! BTW, examining the internals of various brands, I have found less QC variety in German and Austrian glasses than in Oriental brands. If you look through the objective lenses with a strong flashlight and look inside for flaws, like glue leaks or sloppy rubber seals or dust on the prisms, you'll see more QC variance in the Oriental brands. Some will be perfect, mind you. But overall, you are more likely to find perfection in the three Euro brands named.

I can tell you this here because I don't reveal my name. If I said this in most magazines, the editors and admen would probably never buy more of my articles or reviews. Advertisers would raise Hell. Keep in mind what I said: this is offered as my truthful subjective opinion, and I am not making empirical claims that Brand X is automatically better than Brand B, whatever they might be. But birding publications DO so rate binoculars, as do consumer mags. I've used the best and the rest, and I have more experience with a range of binoculars than almost anyone whom I know. A very few specialst optical writers have used more items than I have, but not many. One of them is/was a consultant to a major manufacturer,and has probably used more binoculars than anyone, but he's in the trade. What he's written under his real name reflects basically what I told you here. We are largely in agreement, although I've not seen him comment on Leica products.

Keep in mind that in the previous Leica Trinovid of the 1970's and '80's, the optical quality wasn't (to me) as good as on equivalent Zeiss items. They got serious and changed that in the 1990's when their new line came out. I haven't tried the current Ultravid, but imagine that they are running alongside the equivalent models of Zeiss. If I was rich, I'd sure get both and see! (I don't want to request a test glass, as the insurance and responsibility are more than I want to risk. Some of these glasses now exceed $2,000 in cost.)

If you cannot buy locally, buy a few copies of, "Astronomy", "Sky and Telescope", and the better birding magazines. Look at the ads from respectable dealers, like Christopher's in Norman, OK. Call and ask about the model you have in mind and see what they'll tell you. The New York camera dealers have a poor rep for honesty and warranty coverage. Some of their goods are probably gray market merchandise that may not be under US warranty. An honest, honorable dealer who realizes that you are a serious potential customer will often take time to answer your questions, and their warranties are valid here. They may allow exchanges if you aren't satisfied with what you got.

That's the best advice that I can give binocular buyers. Don't neglect the small monoculars for pocket carry, for daily use. And learn how to care for optics. Don't leave them in a hot car or clean the lenses with a dirty shirttail! Learn how to clean the lenses and with what. Zeiss has a cleaning kit that will serve you well, and they offer lens fluid in bottles. They may sell direct, if your dealer doesn't stock those items. Check. And read their sites! Study the features and sizes of binocular, and think how YOU will most often use that instrument.

I agree that the best basic binocular is the 8X30 or 8X32, depending on brand.

If you're a little short of money, forego buying some guns to buy a superior binocular. I have very few guns, compared to most here. But I actually use my binoculars more, and in various pursuits. To me, it matters to see a perfectly sharp edge to a Moon crater or the lashes of a squirrel's or birds' eye, precisely defined. Brightness matters. Buy accordingly. You get what you pay for. Zeiss and Leica are more than just prestigious names on the instrument. I sacrificed heavily in other areas to save up and buy my binoculars and monoculars. It was worth it.
 
Last edited:
I'm going to give a different opinion. Yes, primarily because I didn't want to spend the huge amounts required. About 6 or 7 years ago my wife induced me to take a riverboat cruise. It was just local on the American Queen. But from my boating days, I knew Ohio River rides required Binoc's. So I took a minor gamble and ordered a set of Canon IS binoculars. I'd read some very good reports on them. And I got a 12x pair! Yes, I'm old and I moved outside the generally accepted limits of 8x. In my sordid youth I'd purchased a set of 10x and knew they were difficult to hold steady.

But the little jaunt to get acquainted with Internal Stabilization (IS) was easy and painless. I can hold my 12x binoc's as steady as you can hold 6x. Until I used them, I wouldn't have believed it. But I was so impressed with them I immediately bought my wife an IS camera lens. It started giving us pretty good pix. But then my oldest son and his oldest went west with us. His son wanted a picture of some obscure canyon or rock. Son told grandson "use grandma's camera, it takes better pictures". :( The only difference was the IS lense. Its a technology improvement so good you need to experience it.

So I only have one Zeiss telescopic lens. Its a low power 1.25- 4 x Diavar. It was fairly cheap at a gun show. Or cheap to my distorted sense of value.
 
I have an old $100 pair of Bushnell 7Xs.
They have served me well since the 1970s.
Keep trying to buy a new pair but failing.
Come deer season it's the old ones in the bino pocket on my
hunting coat again.
 
I like my 10x42s for GP use. A friend with fairly narrow-set eyes found that of the Big Three euro glasses, the Zeiss permitted a much narrower interpupilary adjustment, which better suit him than the others.

Worthy of consideration, too, are the tiny compact binocs. I recently used mine on a javelina hunt, where glassing large expanses of terrain wasn't possible, and the light weight and shirt-pocket size of my little glasses was a delight. Not the right tool for examining every inch of big country, but just right for determining that some suspicious object is a rock or clump of bushes, rather than a potential target, or vice versa.
 
Last edited:
Pentax

They don't make them any more but I have a 9X63 pair and they are bright AND HEAVY. On a deer stand, YES.. carry around all day.. No!

They are almost 20 years old.. the exit pupil of 7 mm is hard to beat.
 
Most don't know how to use binoculars--especially high power.
My Steiner 10X42's were strongly advised against.
I learned a long time ago that if you anchor the glass to the bill of a cap--a tree limb or a tri-pod, the shaking is a non-issue.
I took a river boat cruise thru Europe this last summer and had no problem with the shaking.
Blessings
 
I too have a pair of Canon Image Stabilizing Binoculars along with a pair of Minolta's, Pentax, Nikon, and a pair made in Brooklyn (not sure of make) during WWll for the Navy. I HAD a pair of Ziess Binoculars that I spent a small fortune on, but I have to say that I always felt that I got ripped off because I never really could see a substantial difference to justify the high price that I had paid. I eventually sold the Zeiss and bought the Canon IS at 1/4 the price! Now when I go to grab a pair of Binoculars, the Canon's ALWAYS get the job. IMHO they are far better than the Zeiss pair was AND they are the best binoculars I have ever owned regardless of price.

For Rifle optics I have mostly Leupold but do have some Burris scopes as well. I have never tried Zeiss scopes for rifles and so I can not comment on them. All I can say is that I am happy with the ones I have currently and never had any reason to change. Two of my friends have the Nikon 4x Rimfire scope that they paid $100 bucks (brand new) for and for the money it is quite an impressive scope. Not quite the Leupold or Burris, but for $100 pretty impressive!

Chief38
 
I have a pair of Zeiss 8x20B compact binos, the Classic line, not the less expensive Conquest series.
Best glass I ever owned. I carried them every day in my pants cargo pocket for 2 years in the Middle East wars and they're still in fine shape. I used them several times a day there, too.
They've become "loose" however, and the two sides just flop around. The optical quality has never deteriorated, though.
 
I have a pair of Zeiss 8x20B compact binos, the Classic line, not the less expensive Conquest series.
Best glass I ever owned. I carried them every day in my pants cargo pocket for 2 years in the Middle East wars and they're still in fine shape. I used them several times a day there, too.
They've become "loose" however, and the two sides just flop around. The optical quality has never deteriorated, though.

Contact Zeiss customer service. They'll probably repair the loose hinge.

If you actually have the real ClassiC 8X20B/GA, which was made for a short time, you are lucky. But I bet you have the folding model. Either way, Zeiss will stand behind the product, I think, and take care of you.
 
Last edited:
Agree that Zeiss is top shelf, but I'm really happy with my Swarovski binoculars and rifle scopes, also a good choice IMO. Another great rifle scope is Schmidt&Bender.
I've also have a pair of Fujinon armored 7x50 binoculars with compass that I've used on all my boats for 35 yrs. They're great for picking up buoys in 6' swells at dusk.
 
I've used these since back in the 80s....

8X30 B
DEAPics022-1-1.jpg


Su Amigo,
Dave
 
I'm never shocked at the knowledge on this forum. Thanks for the replies. Good, better, best, whatever, I'm loving these binos' and use them, every chance I get. And Dave, I was kinda looking at the individual focus that you have, but my eyes are off. Went for what I got instead. Was a hard choice.
 
Last edited:
Just in case the T* and P* puzzle, the first is the Zeiss propietary lens and prism coatings, to reduce glare and allow max. transmissin of light.

The P* indicates that the roof prisms have received phase coating to minimize light wave transmission variances, getting the waves more in synch as the light paases through the prism system. With P* coatings, roof prism glasses can give as sharp a view as porro prisms. Otherwise,the light splits on the prism roofs, giving slight differences in how the image elements reach the eye, and isn't quite as sharp as with Porro prisms.

Zeiss developed phase coating about 1990, and this was a significant advance in the optical industry. Most high quaity roof prism glases now have phase coating.
 
A few years back I inherited a set of binoculars. Leitz Wetzlar, 10X40, Trinovid. Kinda nice I must say.
 
I once scored a nice coup. I was doing the antique/junk shops in the neighboring town of Las Cruces. I caught a glimpse of what looked like a pair of cheap field glasses with straight tubes high on a shelf behind some pretty garish pottery. I hauled it down: the thing was pretty much a wreck; the convering had come loose on both sides, the barrels were two piece and on one side the front piece had come loose and was canted off at an angle. There was white stuff inside the glass from the lenses separating. I saw no maker's name but there were three lower case letters (I don't remember what they were) filled in with white. At that point my ears got long and furry. I looked through them, but couldn't see anything but a reticle on the left side. I paid the $17.50 they cost and took them home. Looking in Pawlas' Code buch, I found the letters were the code assigned to Carl Zeiss. What I had were a pair of Zeiss 10X40 roof prisms from WW II! It took more than 10 times what I paid for them to get them restored, but when I put them around my neck, I was Erwin Rommel with my head and shoulders outside the turret hatch of a PZKW IV, bouncing over the North African desert. A few years later I put them out on the table at a gun show and recovered my costs and then some. I wish I still had them.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top