I guess there's a first time for everything.

Online today, while researching lawn care at a major college website, I got to the fine print at the bottom.

They stated that research results were available to everyone regardless of age, creed, race, sexual orientation and Viet Nam era veterans!!!!!! What?!

[Please, please, please, don't let this get "political." I'll delete the thread myself if it does...]

I just thought it was interesting to be included....when I never thought I wasn't!!

Just when you think you've seen it all....

Len

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That don't make much sense. I wonder who the major financial contributors to the college might have been. Maybe that might have had something to do with it.

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None of that makes any sense

Why not post a link to said article, I would like to read it myself.

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They might be afraid that the Vietnam Vets might use Agent Orange in their "lawn-care".................

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Here's the link....

Look at the bottom of the page.

Lime And The Home Lawn, HYG-4026-90


Len

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Thank you sir for posting the link. Interesting

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Good to know the university is looking out for us Viet Nam vets when it comes to lawn care.

This is very interesting. If anyone should follow up on this and ask the source about this, I would, and I am sure that many others would like to know.

It is nothing more than just a standard non-discrimination policy.

If you Google this phrase WITH the quotes, you'll get a zillion hits that show entities using the same wording-
"without regard to race, color, creed, religion, sexual orientation, national origin, gender, age, disability or Vietnam-era veteran status."



The basis lies here:
Major Laws

Section 402, Veterans Readjustment Act of 1974 - requires affirmative action to employ and advance in employment qualified special disabled veterans and veterans of the Vietnam era and prohibits discrimination based on Vietnam-era veteran status or special disabled veteran status in federally assisted programs.

Probably a result of Viet Vets being shunned because of being thought of as "dope smoking, heroin shooting baby killers".
Remember the 70's when a cop show per week showed a Vet with a headband and love beads nutting up and sniping from the roof?

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I actually ran into this once when I was being evaluated for some management training and promotion at Delta. I was considered an "affected class" because I served in the military 1968-1972. There was no real advantage to it. It simply meant that I couldn't be discriminated against by anyone who opposed the war or the like. It still didn't stop other "affected classes" from being promoted before me.

CW

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Lee - that explains it. I really appreciate that information and I am sure others do also.
Thank you

Many of you remember the recession of 73.
I was in construction. I could usually find a job, but companies were folding right and left, and I went through quite a few "employment changes", so I filled out lots of applications in the 70's.
We Vets learned that we did as well or better by putting "NONE" in the military service blanks.

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A number of universities carry this type of disclamer on documents such as advertisments. There was a perception that they discriminated against Vietnam era vets. These same people (and luckily there aren't many) envy the military for not paying income taxes, having free health care, getting groceries at a cut rate etc. Pure fiction-They believe what they see on TV. They will observe a group of children and ask "how can you tell which ones are military?" And yes, they are very reluctant to hire military people-regardless of qualifications-they will dig into your past-look at high school or college transcripts from 25 or 30 years ago and tell you that your grades aren't good enough. With recent events they will label vets as time bomb nut cases.

A perception?

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Howdy,
It makes no sense to me. I would think any era military service would be a plus.
If I was selling something, they would get a break. If I was hiring, they would get preference over those who didn't serve.
Thanks
Mike

"We Vets learned that we did as well or better by putting "NONE" in the military service blanks."

I agree with this statement, but I will go one step further. I applied and was hired by a bank in 1974. I had put NONE in the military status box. Having gone through this before, I felt that I had a better chance of getting a job if they did not know I had been in the military. To this day I firmly believe that had I put my military status on the app, I would not have been hired. After being in the banking business a while I learned that it was an unspoken rule that Vietnam Era Vets were not to be trusted because we all were "dope heads". At least that was my experience.

There were a lot of collage PUNKS in the 60's/70s that HATED us.
Once they graduated they were the ones doing the hiring.

I walked into the student union building at Indiana University, Bloomington with my girlfriend at the time.
I was in khakis - ALL talking/noise STOPPED.
Alice was later *counseled* on her poor choice of boyfriends.
*We* were morally corrupt, don't ya know?

Ironically (IMHO) THEEEE most morally corrupt act of the entire conflict was the granting of deferments to collage students.
I guess *they* didn't want their kids associating with *us*...........

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Lee, in my case it couldn't be avoided. I worked for Delta 67-68 and then took a 4 year military leave of absence. So when I came back in 72, they already knew where I had been. But then an airline is used to having ex-military working for them since that's where 99% of the pilots come from. Also, back in those days Delta actually gave some preference to vets, especially Air Force and Naval Aviation enlisted men because it meant less money to train them.

CW

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To all of you, thank you for your serivce.
Frank

Another way to look at it.

It does not say "Vietnam-era veterans", it says "Vietnam-era veteran status". Maybe that means they can't discriminate against draft dodgers.

Also, while most people seem to think that "discriminate", like "prejudice", is always a bad thing, you look it up and find:

dis·crim·i·nate/disˈkriməˌnāt/

• Recognize a distinction; differentiate.
• Perceive or constitute the difference in or between.

So, if you don't discriminate, you don't give them preferential treatment, either.

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That was my first guess. A cut & paste word processing gone awry. Proof reader fail...

When I was stationed at Ft Devens in 1967, it was highly recommended that we not wear our uniforms when off post.

There were many that hated anyone in uniform at that time.

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Funny, I returned from Disneyland in 1968.

Had 1 year to go to complete my enlistment, stationed at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Never wore my uniform off post, but not because I was told not to.

Left Oakland non stop to Logan International and home without any incidents, probably just pure luck.

PS Had the New England Patriots on my flight, they just lost to the Raiders.

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Guess you had to be there. Then it wasn't the way it is now.

Very true. While I detest all the political extremism and polarization we have nowadays, it is a good thing that veterans are darned near universally honored today.

My biological father was a 3-tour Vietnam vet, and my adopted father, (my Papa) was too old to be drafted during the conflict. I'm extremely proud of both of them, though they occupied both sides of the fence during that time.


Today, at the age of 41, every time I see a man wearing a hat bearing his service in that war(I know what the yellow flag with the red stripes means), I'll tap my forehead where the patch on his hat is and say, "Thank you..".

You Vietnam vets are the same age now as the WW2 vets I knew growing up, and deserve every bit of the same honor as they did.