...nice stocks Sip...

Not to mention that BSA frowns on the carriage of firearms by Scouters.

You're so skinny. I just hate you!

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Everything in life is a trade off to whatever suits you. Were it legal how many would carry grenades? There has to be a balance between real world odds and full out paranoia. I seldom carry in my area. If we drive out of town I always have something in the car that I can slip in my pocket. Its usualy a old model 40. I own many larger caliber revolvers and a 45 auto. They get carried several days a week on the trails. The novelty wore off for me almost 50 years ago. I have always liked guns and had to carry them for over 35 years but I just never enjoyed the extra weight and the heavy uniform belts. Even on the trails rideing the ATV I seldom open carry because I can get to it pretty quick in my bag ahead of my handlebars. Now if I lived in bagdad -----

Don't hate me. I'm holding it in!

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I usually carry a 38 ultralite j frame with a 5 shot speed loader, but when I can I carry a springfield 45, and when I can't do either of those I have a 38 2 shot derringer belly gun, and there is always a loaded rifle in my pickup. what am I afraid of...............not a damn thing. I just live in the sticks were the mexicans are growing all their weed, funny thow they don't seem to bother the locals much, they just kind of stay out of sight.

[QUOTE=Glockman9mm;136508319]Pocket rockets and single stack 9's are all the rave now days. Many folks feel content with a pocket 380 for carry like an lcp, bodyguard, Kel Tec, ect.

The single stack 9's are going like hot cakes now. The sheild, LC9, karh, beretta nano, walther pps to name a few.

My edc is a G19 in a supertuck and I've never had a problem with it! I browse on some other gun forums and see so many say a fullsize or compact gun is just to big or thick, I want something tiny or smaller that's comfortable to carry.

Last time I checked carrying a gun isn't Spose to be comfortable but comforting! As for me I like the bigger guns because I shoot them better and they don't lack capacity compared to the single stacks. I'd rather have more rounds on my side plus more rounds in my reloads than than what these tiny guns offer.

Another thing that gets me is folks worrying about printing! I have many story's regarding printing, my shirt riding up on my pistol, people bumping into me saying sorry I hit your cell phone ect.

I'm convinced general society is lost in there own little world and are to stupid to realize you have a gun.

Your thoughts?

I read the other day that a instructor at Jeff Cooper's school "
No compact anything, caliber, make, or model, semi has made it though my course (300 rounds self defense) without problems."

I think the small Revolver in .38+P might be the best way to
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JMHO
Guy22

The advantage of the baby guns is that you always have them with you. Yeah, I would rather have a 1911 in a fight, but my PF9 is always in my right front pocket with 8 rounds of +P. I've run across too many "armchair ninjas" who run their mouth about "I wouldn't carry that popgun" but they aren't carrying anything at all in the real world. If you are dedicated, then the bigger guns are better, but most folks aren't. That's why J frames, baby nines etc exist, so you can always have one one you.

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Always bet on stupidity.

I know a lot of people with a CCW and firearms they intended for that use, but the only ones I know who almost always have a firearm with them have it in their pocket.

If you just get one of each size/cal then you can dress in anything between a speedo and a tuxedo and always have the "right gun"

Concealed carry is an art of which some take seriously and some do not. What's comical to me are the excuses I hear.

Those truly serious will find a way. They realize that concealed carry isn't perfect and and isn't natural. We make some sacrifices to carry the biggest gun we can.

Those sacrifices should not enable us to be lazy or make excuses. But because we are all different, some of us will chose the easy way, and some will chose the responsible way.

But the real question is.... Do you REALLY feel comfortable with your CHOICE? And what is your CHOICE based on? Laziness and convenience? Or your responsibility to yourself and family?

Make your choice using facts. Not emotion. Consider effectiveness over comfort. Choose wisely.

You betcha! You must be a 45 guy.

Allright guys I've read through the thread and can't qoute everything without taking all night.

In the past I've carried revolvers, I had a smith 642 and a LCR but I always felt under gunned. I practiced with them, practiced my reloads ect. But I came to the conclusion revolvers weren't for me.

I couldn't shoot them worth a darn like my Glock or P95 I had. One night I sat my 642 on top of my 19 andit really wasn't much smaller. Yea it was more comfortable to carry but the five rounds and slower reloads bothered me.

I can slap three times the rounds in my 19 quicker than I can reload a revolver. For me that's comforting!

My point of this thread wasn't to bash those who carry tiny guns, just wondering why.

As far as you folks go that say you don't go looking for trouble, don't live in a high crime rate area, doubt you'll ever need anything bigger than a pocket gun your kidding yourself!

I to live in a smaller town, hardly ever any crime ect! There's been some situations around here in the past couple years I'd never would have guessed would happen around here but it happened!


You may not go looking for a robbery or trouble but you never know when it might find you!

Not trying to cause a fuss here but just giving you guys my opinion. If it makes any of you guys feel better I'm gonna try to get with a buddy this weekend and shoot his M&P 9 for the first time.

I carry concealed virtually any time I'm away from the house. I have a g27 Glock .40 and a couple 2 1/2" S&W k-frame .357mags that easily could be used. The Glock with it's extended magazine holds 10+1. The gun I most often carry is my P3AT with 6+1 and a spare magazine holding 6. The reason is simply a matter of comfort. I hardly feel the P3AT on my belt and the spare mag is about the size of a Bic lighter.
I practice with the P3AT every time I shoot (about twice/mo) and feel comfortable with it out to about 10 yards. I have twice used it to qualify shooting Oregon's LEOSA course of fire. I shoot it two handed, one handed, and off handed. I shoot it aiming and point. I practice with it extensively BECAUSE it's the gun I most often use for cc.
If in unfamiliar places or if I feel the need I will carry the Glock but honestly, 90% of the time it will be the P3AT with the extra mag.

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Simple answer to the question.... because I would rather have 5 rounds of .38 or 6 of .25 then nothing. If I did not have dress issues for work, and was not built on a 5'7" frame (I think I'm a "snubby") I would carry around a full size .40 or .45 all day long but I can't. So I have two options carry small or don't carry. While small is not my first choice, they meet a need, and if I remember the old saying "better a .22 in hand then a .45 in the safe".

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Unless you stick to CNN, MSNBC etc for your news, there are multiple daily reports from all over the country of thugs attacking people in groups, pulling people out of cars etc. It's all over Youtube, it's a new sport. Judging things by the "good ole" days is not valid. You don't have to be a beagle to smell things have changed in this country, it's not 1990. Attempting to use the past and applying it to a scenario that is no longer true is myopic. Things are going downhill right now, I hope it changes.

As was said before no one, including even LEO wears a gun expecting(probability) to need it that day, they do because possibility. Roll your own dice it's cool, I hope you never have an issue. Just don't tell me I'm the one who does not grasp the actual threat level. Your posts say..you willing to take the chance, that's fine, I'm not, simple as that.

As I said before though...do your thing son....it's the American way. lol.

People look at us *funny* when wearing a helmet in a car --- But those same people insist that I wear one when riding my motorcycle --- I guess they know better than I - eh?

OTOH - Try wearing a parachute on your next biz trip - TSA folks look at you way more than *funny*

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Some generalizations:

There is always more than just one right way to do a thing.

Carrying anything is better than carrying nothing.

Assuming that people come in frame and personality categories of small, medium and large, a "one approach fits all" policy means that up to two thirds of individuals would be using a tool that is to some degree inappropriate for them.

I'm a free-market guy when it comes to carry decisions. Regulation is for banks (if you can get it).

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Now the size or disability part I agree with. Some people can only get away with certain guns physically. That's just the way it is. My wife carries a 908, anything bigger would not work. So as you said, in that scenario, any gun is better than no gun!!

That thar's funny, I don't care who you are!!!!!

You laugh but there are some things that I have to wear sometimes that I can't carry what I prefer, I have to make do with what will work.

I can get away with a different piece in day clothes than I can in a slinky LBD with strappy sandals. I can get the .380 in and out of a thigh holster in something like that a lot easier than a .45

Maybe if I had skinnier legs?

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Oh no, thigh holsters, This thread is doomed. I can hear it now. "Does this holster make my legs look........."

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Hey, I don't like it, but if I have a tiny purse and no pocket...not like I can stuff it down the front.

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They have a app, I mean holster, for that

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I guess this means I need to update my phone AND my wardrobe!

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The way I act in public and the way I do at home is dramatically different.
I have always stayed out of trouble. Last fight was just out of HS. If I carried then, I would have shot that kid and be living in Concord NH in cell block J. We ended it with fists. He won.
I have a CC permit. # 1 reason is so I can drive to the range with my firearms out of sight. #2 is so I can carry a sidearm while Bow Hunting. I look at a sidearm during Bow season as a tool. I know I will sleep better if I break my leg and have to spend the night in the woods.
#3 Carry in public....and I don't....not sure when I will.
I don't want to be the guy that simply showed a firearm and landed in jail for 3 yrs.
I don't want to be the guy that killed a kid at night in self defense and have over 70% of the country think I need to burn and even if I get off, I will be sued by the kids family and loose everything.
I also don't want to be shot while sitting at a light because the idiot needed my Truck. Lock the doors and use my Commercial Truck driving skills (looking in the mirrors every 6 seconds) has gotten me home safe thus far.
I stay away from trouble and I think as of today that carrying a firearm with my temper will cause me more trouble.

At my Home. I have my Model 60 next to me as I write this. Small and easy to carry around the house.
Nightstand on my side is my 14 round .40 FNX. On her side the Model 28-2 in .38.
Colt AR in the closet with Hornady TAP, 30 rounds.
2 useless Boxers are down the hall, 1 will bark for sure, the other deaf.
1 Black Cat that will ask for more food. Also useless.

We live in an area that burglers like. We belong to a watch group (C). A & B are in other area's of town. Emails go out all the time. You can't walk or stop your car on the side of the road without the Cops getting called. Life in a small NH town, but it works for her and I and Today that is what matters.

Tomorrow, perhaps I will carry...My Model 60 and I am dam good with it.

I really don't think that you or many of your brethern do.

Let's use your example of a gang pulling you out of your car and beating you. It hasn't happened in my town but maybe it has in yours. So you pull out your Roscoe and pop one or two of them. One of two things will happen at this point. They will all back off crying, "We didn't mean no harm!" or they will swarm you and still beat the **** out of you or one of the gang will respond to your shooting and shoot you. Your 51 rounds will have done you no good.

1. A predictable, trite response....yes, after 5 or 6 go down, IF and it's a big IF, they are willing to die to get to you, you are in trouble. I havebeen in the situation of a mass riot and watched people scatter like rabbits when the gun starting going off....this is the norm, not the exception.
2. There are better things made for this scenario than semi-auto hand gun.

I was N.O. in Katrina, Baltimore in the winter crisis, East St.
Louis after a natural disaster... you are not talking to someone who is theorizing anything. What you seem to be unable to grasp in the concept of preparing for the possible, but not expecting it to happen.

You have your opinion, It's cool. Mine is based on my life, not yours. So as I said before, you do your thing, I'll do what I think I need to do based on things I've witnessed and let's hope neither one of us every gets in a position to need a gun period, much less having to use it or multiple people at the same time. God forbid.

Well sir, all I can say is good luck. Anything else I say will just be countered by excuses due to a lack of reality.

This conversation is over, all you want to do is be disagreeable, you'll have to do that with someone else, I've got better things to do.

Have a good night.

Thankfully things have changed since 1990; the murder rate is much lower than 1990 and is approaching historic lows. A while back there was a news special that examined how people could perceive historic high crime when it was in fact near historic lows. Their conclusion was that the problem was exactly what you used as the basis for your belief; "multiple daily reports from all over the country". They found that even though crime was down, the growth of the 24 hour news cycle had resulted in an 800% increase in the reporting of violent crime over the last few decades.

The world is full of ifs and buts.
A gang tries to pull me from a vehicle and I will use my right foot as readily as I will use my hand gun.
If I get pulled out I will empty gun A and reach for gun B.
Between the 2 without reloading that is 22 rounds.
With an autoloader the most likely cause of a malfunction is a magazine.
I cant see carrying an autoloader without a back up mag.
Murphy is tough, if something CAN go wrong... bet that it will when you least need it to.
In that case 1 gun is none... 2 guns is one.
I wear a seatbelt not because I expect to be in an accident, but in case I am.
And yes, I have had cars with 5 point harness.
Of course I also used it on the track.
If you dont want to carry, or prefer to carry something different than others... that is your choice and Right.
You always see people on the news saying "This sort of thing NEVER happens here."
Criminals are venturing into quiet areas that dont have much crime... looking for easy pickings.
With my job, I get sent to areas after events such as natural disasters.
I was in NO after Katrina. I also had 2 hand guns and a shotgun with me.
I had to wait for a gun fight to stop before taking care of one of my sites.
No, I was not involved in it.
Some of us see the bad side of the country, some live there, some work there, some just pass thru.
Dont sit there and cast some kind of judgement over something you dont have experience with or refuse to see the reality of.
My handguns are to get me to my long guns.
My long guns are to get me to my family.
Live your life as you see fit.
The rest of us are doing the same.


Jim

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Peace please,
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Touchy subject with some.

If one wants to assign the responsibility for one's safety to God, luck or "I live in a good area", go for it. That will put you in the majority not only here in the US but the rest of the world.

To me and those like me that is the height of irresponsibility. Except for those who can not be armed for whatever circumstances. Metal detectors happen.

But the lives and well being of myself and those important to me are too fragile to pretend that "nothing will happen". Death and destruction are the work of a moment and can and do visit everywhere.

Even a tiny gun is better than none. But it's funny how very, very few people who have actually been in a gun fight walk around with a mouse gun for a primary unless forced into it.

Experience is a harsh teacher and some people can learn from the experiences of others, they don't have to pee on the electric fence themselves to know it's a poor plan.


Cat

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Yes, for a long time, however I'm not really committed to one caliber. Back when the wonder nines were first becoming popular I had a t-shirt made which I wore only to gunshows. The front had a 1911A 1 and said "Cocked and Locked since 1911". On the back it said "9mm Parabellum, the choice of defeated armies since 1902". ;-D.

Now half the time I carry a 380 and until recently that other half was split between 9x18, 32 Long and 38 Special. Now I have a 40 S&W that I'm working into my primary carry. Just haven't found a good IWB holster for it yet but anytime I'm wearing a suit, sport coat or loose shirt I've been carrying that with an OWB holster.

If an unruly group ever tries to pull me from a vehicle I'm hoping my wife is with me. She can provide suppressive fire while I concentrate on driving. Penny usually carries a CZ82 with a spare mag.