Back to the range this eve for some more off-hand point shooting. Adhering to the principles outlined in the Fairbairn-Sykes book, "Shooting to Live", as well as using tips/techniques from two point shooting videos (generously given to me by a forum member), I noticed a significant improvement from just a couple weeks ago. Starting with a model 317 snub from 10'-12', I had only three fliers, with the majority of shots hitting center mass (Target 1). Obviously the shots are not tightly grouped, but in practicing point shooting, I'm focusing on scoring solid hits. I experimented with different stances, and rates of fire ... sometimes two shots at a time, then repeat x3, other times, three-three-two. I'm getting much more comfortable maintaining visual contact with the target, and simply raising the pistol and firing.

After running out of .22s, I switched over to a Colt New Agent in 9mm, and fired 75 rounds, in five round bursts (Target 2). My NA has the big TALO front sight, which isn't as conducive to point shooting as Colt's stock trench sight. At the same 10'-12' distance as with the 317, my 9mm rounds kept to a decent grouping, albeit low. I attribute this patterning to my inability to master the height of where to consistently aim the NA. Nonetheless, 73/75 on target is not bad for point shooting, especially as all the hits were gut shots and fired from the weak hand.

The point shooting exercises I've been doing have energized range time considerably, and have allowed me a valuable (and enjoyable) off-hand practice activity as my strong side shoulder heals from surgery. If you're into point shooting, keep doing it! If not, I strongly recommend it ... it's fun, and develops one's skill set much quicker than expected with some regular practice.

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Hi, I used to do a little point shooting, and I've never found any videos that talked about the same thing as the "Shooting to Live" book. Can I ask the titles of the ones you have?

Thanks.

Jellybean ... Paladin Press offers several related DVDs. The two I have are listed as the "Rex Applegate's Shooting Set". Both are great viewing.

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Try looking under "Threat Focused Shooting" which is what I called it when I taught it.

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mc5aw,

Hip or point shooting is fun and a good training exercise...

I never was as proficient as I would have liked to be, but I may still make it yet.


I shot this back in my two gun phase days...Jest fur fun,

(2) 5" N Frame Smith & Wessons 15 Feet Distance.



Su Amigo,
Dave

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Keep practicin' Dave, someday you might get there.

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mc5aw and Gunslinger808, thank you both for the information.

There goes my memory again. I had found a video that was close to the "Shooting to Live" book. It was on this forum before, but I had found it on this site:
Fundamentals of Double Action Revolver Shooting : National Archives and Records Administration : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

This site has a lot of old books and videos that can be downloaded with no problem, including this, not guite as old, video that is more related to Rex Applegates, and all his bandwagon jumpers, techniques. But this video does have some very good info anyway.
SHOOTING FOR SURVIVAL, ca. 1960 - ca. 1969 : National Archives and Records Administration : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

In the first video linked to above, note that when the guy
shoots from the hip his rounds strike close to the top of the
berm. When shooting from the hip DO NOT shoot at targets or
a place on a target that is above your line of fire. In a range
you may find your rounds striking the ceiling.

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Here's a link to a U-tube video on the Applegate method:
Applegate Shooting Method - YouTube

Amd here's alink to an article of mine that provides details with pics of
Applegate's and Fairbairn and Sykes method:
AIMED Point Shooting or P&S

As to Point Shooting practice:

Here's a link to a video of me shooting at and hitting aerials
(pop cans tossed in the air), with and airsoft pistol. Do not
shoot at aerials with a firearm.

Point Shooting at Aerials - YouTube

Here's some added technical info. in response to questions received in the past about the video.

After practicing for an hour a day for a week in 2006, I was hitting 4 cans in a row.

The shooting method used is Point Shooting where the index
finger is places along the side of the gun in line with the sights
and barrel, and the pistol is aimed by just pointing at the
target, and the middle finger is used to pull the trigger when
the target is pointed at.

The US Army in its combat pistol manual affirms that soldiers
can fast and accurately engage targets by pointing at them.
And anyone can affirm that for themselves as well.

The garage ceiling is about 10 feet high.

The top of the backdrop sheet is about 9 feet high at the ends, and 8 feet high in the middle.

I was standing about 11+ feet from the back drop sheet.

To keep the BB's in the shooting bay, I tried not to shoot until a can was around 8 feet or less off the ground.

From 7 off the ground, to 4 feet off the ground, seemed to be best window for shooting.
That means I had to aim and shoot in the time it took for the can to fall 3 to 4 feet.
Using the sights was out of the question.

Also I used a mirror that was positioned so that my tossing the cans into the air and shooting at them,
and the pop cans coming down in the shooting bay, would be captured in the video.

That required my tossing the cans in the restricted shooting lane with my weak hand,
which complicated the tossing process.

It is way more relaxing and easier to just grab a can, and toss it up in the air and to the front, and shoot at it.
And even if the height, distance, and direction varies more.