Has Sheriff Joe Gone Over The Edge?

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I read the MSN report--At the present time I am on his side. People do not need to be in the desert at night with aks & ar15s when the sheriff is on patrol. Protect your property--don't go looking for trouble --it will find you. It also shows his people are not trigger happy & brave.
 
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What kind if idiot wanders around in the desert armed and pointing weapons at innocent people? While Sheriff Joe is a grandstander for sure and says some silly things what should be said is for those pointing weapons at people without just cause there is a good chance that an innocent armed civilian is going to fire back thinking their lives are in danger. Let LEO (including border patrol) do their job and you yahoos wandering around in the desert need to go home and worry about protecting your own home. Sheesh.
 
4barrel said:
...Protect your property--don't go looking for trouble --it will find you.
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The MSM is not Joe Arapio's friend and they will twist any story around to make him look bad if they can. JMHO, but I feel like there is plenty of evidence to support it.

That said, I agree with what was said above. Armed hooliganism is not constructive and sure doesn't help the causes of either an armed citizen or the Sheriff. It sounds like he is making a legitimate point - rather bluntly, but accurately. He is known for that. :)
 
Like they say, "It's a mighty thin pancake that doesn't have two sides."

You have to take a look at this from Sheriff Joe's perspective. Just look at what he's had to deal with in the past with the Minutemen.

First, if I remember correctly, he arrested one of the co-founders about seven or eight years ago for three counts of child molestation.

Then, there was a release of a video where it shows night-vision footage of two Minutemen chasing down a supposed illegal immigrant. The audio has a lot of profanity as the Minutemen open fire on the illegal, eventually killing him...or at least that's what it looked like. When the situation was investigated, it was found that the video was a complete fake. During the questioning of the two Minutemen, they admitted that they were just "two old guys that were bored," so they thought they'd make this video and release it to the public.

There's a bunch of other stuff that shows how unprofessional some of these bozos are, so, personally, I'm going to have to side with Sheriff Joe on this one. He's had to deal with too much unprofessional garbage with some of these Minutemen. I don't blame him for getting a little peeved.

I believe the original intent of the Minuteman Project was basically good, but an overabundance of "wannabes" got involved because they liked the idea of walking around with a loaded firearm, just hoping they get to shoot somebody, and ruined the whole purpose of the Minutemen.

Just my two cents...and it's probably not even worth that.
 
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Between the Minutemen, Federal and State LEOs, and drug smugglers, all armed with semi-automatic weapons, it's only a matter of time before a number of people are killed in a fire-fight.
 
Yes, coordination with local law enforcement, so long as these "militia" types not only follow the law(s) to the letter, but know full well that they can only use deadly force from a defensive posture, and that they do not have the benefit of sovereign immunity since they are not "professional" LEO's. That said, the local sheriff's department should be made aware by the militia(s) of their presence and location at all times.

Insofar as Joe's "mental" state....well, if I had the better part of my career being monitored by the DOJ and a boatload of civil rights groups for as long as he has, I too would be belligerent.
 
jaykellogg said:
If militias want to patrol the desert they need to coordinate their efforts with law enforcement. They have to understand they have no legal standing and the use of firearms should be limited to self defense.

I am on the side of Sheriff Joe on this.
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A while back when I first saw the 'Border Watchers' on TV they explained they only watched for illegals and notified authorities. They were wearing sidearms.
Does anybody know exactly where these guys are located? If they are East of Nogales I will stop by and say howdy, in the daytime!
 
I see no problem with the militia serving as eyes and ears for LE. I also see no issue with their being armed. But, like so many things, once an individual of that group exceeds that role, it becomes a problem. It sounds a lot like the same mindset that got us the Florida Stand Your Ground debacle. Once your ego exceeds your level of authority, the foot to the butt can't be far behind.

That said, threatening to shoot people is out there, he needs to rethink his approach. There's an attorney in AZ just waiting for one of his Deputies to overreact so they can use his statement against him. I'd think hard about shooting anyone stupid enough to point a gun at me too, but not hold a press conference to publicize it.
 
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"Court records say Richard Malley believed he had the right to aim the rifle at the deputy because he thought a crime was occurring. Malley was arrested for aggravated assault."

Negative Sir, it's that thinking problem of yours showing up again.
 
Any time you "patrol" a dessert area at night some incidents are going to happen. A novice non lawman, military or guard is going to be excitable and keyed up to start with. As mentioned elsewhere I was a defense plant guard forever. We had sites in remote desert that I sometimes got assigned to, to guard certain things. Not often but when you do that type work things are going to happen. Once I was in the middle of nowhere and I hear a pack of dogs comeing at me about 03:00 am. A hot, dark desert night, you think no one should be within 10 miles of you. A guy on a wheeled sled pulled by a dog team comes up. He`s practicing for the idelrod!
Excitable tin foil hats need not apply. They WILL see stuff. I suspect Joe deals with some of the type.
 
I don't think the Sheriff was "threatening" anyone. I think he was simply pointing out that his deputies are not going to take that kind of thing lightly and that they have every right to - and will - defend themselves. That's all. :)

The MSM will do what they can to make it sound otherwise.

My guess is the Sheriff would like to avoid that problem if he can, and that is why he is talking about it. But... he is saying everyone has to understand the safety of his deputies doing their sworn duty will come first.

My read, but I admit I am biased. From what I know about him, I wish we had about a thousand more sheriffs like him.
 
S&W45Colt said:
It sounds a lot like the same mindset that got us the Florida Stand Your Ground debacle.
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Actually, the only SYG debacle was the one created by the media.

I don't believe SYG was ever considered as a possible defense for (he who shall not be named;-)) except, again, when the media started referencing it.

I do take your point about individuals who exceed their role as observers and reporters to Law Enforcement.
 
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redlevel said:
Actually, the only SYG debacle was the one created by the media.

I don't believe SYG was ever considered as a possible defense for Zimmerman except, again, when the media started referencing it.

I do take your point about individuals who exceed their role as observers and reporters to Law Enforcement.
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I was only using that term to label the incident. I was thinking of the individual involved more than anything, but using his name seems to result in instant thread jacking and other craziness, I'll leave it at, "he who shall not be named." :D
 
Got thinking about my last post about the dog sled. Maybe I was fooled and it was a russian spy with a elaborite cover? He`s probley still laughing about it and telling his grandkids how he fooled a idiot night watchman!
 
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