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Just curious...
Watching "Goldfinger" today for the umpteenth time--I wonder whatever became of the S&W Model 22 .45 that Pussy Galore held on James Bond on Auric's jet.
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It probably got thrown in with a bunch of other props and forgotten about in the movie context.
Probably would bring a decent amount at auction.
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02-22-2014, 07:53 PM
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Was not a 22. I know IMDB Guns says it was, but it weren't.
4", N-frame, fixed sight, shrouded ejector rod. When the movie came out, the only two guns that fit that description were the 2nd model 44 HE and the 38/44 Heavy Duty.
The 1950, which became the Model 22, did not have a shrouded ejector rod.
The CURRENT Model 22 has a shrouded rod, which is most likely why they say it was a 22. But not back then.
Bond says it was a 45, so they have taken that as gospel. But remember in Dr. No, bad guy with a silenced 1911 fires six rounds, and Bond tells him, "That's a Smith and Wesson, and you've had your six".
Bond-movie screenwriters ain't real up on guns.
Although, according to THE BOOK, the 2nd Model HE 44 was available in 45 Colt (very few) so it coulda been a 45.
Just not a Model 22.
And just now, re-reading THE BOOK, to make sure of my info, it says there were less than a thousand of the 45s, but the way it reads to me, they were all 6 1/2".
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Can't find my copy of the book. Did Fleming even mention Pussy's gun by name?
Bond had some sort of Colt .45 in his Bentley, most likely a Govt. Model auto. But the author owned a New Service revolver and may have had it in mind.
I don't recall Bond (or Fleming, really) ever mentioning a S&W .45. He did cite the M-42 Centennial .38 and the Model 27, or meant to. He got the .357 confused with the snub .38 after Boothroyd suggested the pair as a team.
In, "Dr. No" (the book), the bad guys did have Smith & Wessons, "the usual model." That almost certainly meant the M&P/Model 10. The book appeared one year afer S&W began using Model numbers.
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Jim, I think Bond was to have a "long barreled Colt .45" secured somewhere in his Bentley. Sounds as if it would have been a revolver, but with Mr. Fleming one never knows.
The .45 revolver in the movie has been identified as a M-22 and as an old triplelock? As RonJ suggested, whatever revolver was used is now sitting in a prop room somewhere.
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When I was a kid, the Goldfinger Aston Martin DB5 was at a local mall. A relative worked at the store the car was shown at and I got to sit in the ejection seat!
I do remember a extremely long barrel single action Colt in a tan leather holster hanging from the left side of the dash board. The barrel was really long like a Buntline Colt probably 12-16". Dad called it a "Buntline".
I always thought that a SA Colt was very out of place for James Bond. I've wondered about that for almost 50 years and now this post makes makes sense why it was there.
I hope that helps
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When I first read about a "long-barreled Colt 45", I saw a Single Action Army in my mind. It was so long ago that "Colt 45" meant either an Army gun or a Cowboy gun.
In one of the "post-Fleming" Bond books, James has a Super Blackhawk stashed under the dash of his car. By the time I read that one, I thought having a single-action for a defensive pistol was pretty dang dumb.
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Psst, your geek is showing.
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Originally Posted by Alpo
Was not a 22. I know IMDB Guns says it was, but it weren't.
4", N-frame, fixed sight, shrouded ejector rod. When the movie came out, the only two guns that fit that description were the 2nd model 44 HE and the 38/44 Heavy Duty.
The 1950, which became the Model 22, did not have a shrouded ejector rod.
The CURRENT Model 22 has a shrouded rod, which is most likely why they say it was a 22. But not back then.
Bond says it was a 45, so they have taken that as gospel. But remember in Dr. No, bad guy with a silenced 1911 fires six rounds, and Bond tells him, "That's a Smith and Wesson, and you've had your six".
Bond-movie screenwriters ain't real up on guns.
Although, according to THE BOOK, the 2nd Model HE 44 was available in 45 Colt (very few) so it coulda been a 45.
Just not a Model 22.
And just now, re-reading THE BOOK, to make sure of my info, it says there were less than a thousand of the 45s, but the way it reads to me, they were all 6 1/2".
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What? You don't look at movies and think, "What the heck is that?"
IMDB guns has got some good info. But they got a lot of nonsense, also.
Scent of a Woman. They say the gun is a Series 80 Colt. They can tell by the grips. Funny though. I've never seen a lanyard-ring MSH on a Series 80.
And all those movies made in the 30s and 40s, where the cops have Model 10s.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpo
What? You don't look at movies and think, "What the heck is that?"
IMDB guns has got some good info. But they got a lot of nonsense, also.
Scent of a Woman. They say the gun is a Series 80 Colt. They can tell by the grips. Funny though. I've never seen a lanyard-ring MSH on a Series 80.
And all those movies made in the 30s and 40s, where the cops have Model 10s.
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