I hope this new war movie is good. It has the very last Tiger tank in the world that still runs, in the movie. That alone is worth the price of admission....
This video has some totally inaccurate commentary. The Tiger was not a perfect tank. It was heavily armored and had a powerful gun but it was under powered. It was also too heavy to cross a lot of bridges and engineers would have to strengthen rural bridges before they could cross it.
When the guy says "It took 50,000 Shermans to destroy 1500 Tigers" that's totally wrong. American military doctrine in WWII was that "Tanks do not fight Tanks". This was obviously flawed but that's how we fought. Tigers were destroyed by air attack, anti-tanks guns and artillery, as well as Sherman tank fire. Many of them were abandoned in the field due to breakdowns. This tank was overly complexed and very difficult to repair in the field and often too heavy to drag away for repairs.

Go Inside the Tanks of FURY - Featurette - YouTube

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From the previews ive seen--ill be watching it and buying the DvD. Also,the Tiger in this movie isnt the last running Tiger in the World. There are several others--not including the ones the Russians keep active--as hey use them in many-a-new war movie.

But it was so cool!

I can recommend the book Tigers in the Mud: The Combat Career of German Panzer Commander Otto Carius for first hand accounts of Tigers in battle:

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Thats an excellent book and Herr Carius--is still alive last I heard. he owns and operates an Apothecary.

Looks good!

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Bigger is better no matter what. The invincibility of Tigers has been played up to make a great thing (stopping them) look even greater.

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Enter the WWII Thunderbolt and ultimately the A-10 Warthog. I think our philosophy was right on.

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Rockets from P-47's and RAF Typhoons in particular, accounted for many German tanks. Even .50 caliber and 20 mm aircraft guns could kill a Tiger from dead astern.

I respect the Tiger but sort of like the lighter Panther more.

What was the name of that SS Panzer commander who made such a mess of British and Canadian tanks near Caen? Michael Somebody. He was a remarkable commander who got the best from his tanks and crews.

Michael Wittmann?

Michael Wittmann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Panther was considered by many to be the best tank in the world into the 1950's. Overall it was a better all-around tank than the Tiger or that behemoth King Tiger.

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The Sturmovik did some impressive damage on Tigers on theEastern front.

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I'll have to see the movie, if for no other reason than one of my uncles was a Sherman tank driver in WWII. He was severely injured after hitting an anti-tank mine. He survived and was able to live a fairly normal life, although 100% disabled.

I have talked to two WWII vets who told of being rescued from the shelling and machine guns of Tigers by the sudden appearance of a flight of P-51s.

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Your talking about Michael Whitmann, but THINK you mean Ernst Barkmann--he was the one who shot up that British tankcolumn. There is a famous painting by David Pentland titled: Barkmann's Corner.BTW--Whitmann was in the 1st SS Panzer Div and Barkmann was in the 2nd SS Pz Div. :-))

Sometimes the cavalry DOES come over the hill.

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I had in mind Michael Wittmann. (Not "Whitman".) See the above link to a Wiki article on him.


But I'll look up Barkmann, too.

A freind of mine in Longview--is a distant Cousin to Barkmann and actually and briefy met himon a trip to Germany back about 5 years ago--and shortly before he passed away. Barkmann has a very interesting career :-)) Another if you have time to look up? is my friend: Remy Schrijnen--talk about a character-and that he was.My friend Susanne and I--spent the day with him and his wife in Hagen--man the stories he told of being on the Russian Front.

"Fury"?

I'll have to give it a shot...pun intended!

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Group Von Luck......he pulled out his pistol and pointed it at the head of the commander of the 88mm AA battery. "You can be a dead Luftwaffe AA gunner, or a hero of the Reich!" This quote from the book Panzer Commander written by Hans Von Luck (with a ghost writer's help).
This happened during Operation Goodwood where Hans gathered a rag tag group of 88mm AA guns and Tiger tanks after the allies carpet bombed a swath through German lines. Hans stopped the British break through. He was captured outside Berlin trying to fight his way to American lines. The Soviets kept him for ten years. He kept himself alive by building houses for communist party members. He was found working at a hotel in in West Germany, in the 1960s, where a historian recognized his name. They wrote the book.

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I'm looking forward to seeing it.

My dad was a WW-II combat veteran of the 612th Tank Destroyer B'ttn. He had lots of respect for Tigers.

They had the M18 tank, a small, fast 2-man unit with a 3" gun.

Dad received the Bronze Star for the Battle of the Bulge.

When Dad was still alive, he was active in his B'ttn reunion association. As his health failed, I would take him to the annual three day get-togethers. I volunteered for several years, and wore the Reunion Association Patch on one of my riding jackets.

The insignia was cool- showing a panther biting a Tiger tank in two.

Attn: Harley Fan, Good show going with your Dad to the reunions. Admirable.

Attn: Will Carry, OP, Thanks for the heads-up on the Tiger. On one of the TV promos, I swore I saw that T-34 mock-up of the Tiger from Kelly's Heroes and Saving Private Ryan. I could be mistaken. Can someone help here?

What a thread!

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I didn't know that! Thanks for the info. I know there is supposed to be a functional King Tiger in a museum in France and some Russians have built a replica of a Tiger that runs.
The French took some Panzers after the war to establish an armored corps but I think they used Panzer Vs.

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Hans von Luck's Knights Cross is still missing too. After the war--he had a wooden box that he kept that a fellow PW gave to him while in captivity. The box had a secret compartment and von Luck kept his KC in it. Well, after the war--he had an apt and I think had gone out looking for work?came back and discovered someone broke in his place--took that box and most likely never discovered his Knights Cross.

BTW--Erich Topps golden presentation dagger (given to him by either Adm Raeder or Adm Donitz?) and his decorations--are also still missing.

Its possible but--i doubt it. The SPR "Tiger" resides at the Bovington Tank Museum.My good friend Paul--who lives in Durham (London) sent me a nice pic of it years ago. I dont know if its on any of my photo bucket accounts but-if so? ill try getting it posted her. It also has a sign in front of it saying it was the Tiger used in SPR.

My Dad was a machine gunner in the 3RD inf div- the same outfit as Audi Murphy- He did not care for "tankers". When ever they encountered a difficult road block or fire fight, the tanks pulled back and the call was "Infantry up front"! He always like to say " do you know why infantry men have to be smarter than tankers? ans. Because there`s nothing between their chest and German bullet , but a GI shirt"! I am looking forward to the movie too.

https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catago...2&u=10&era=5,6

Here is a link that has scale models of lots of stuff, this one is the TANKS section. I have spent several hours thinking the 'Little Boy' in me wants to build some models: Atomic Cannon, German 88 mm gun, and half-track that towed it.

Second thought was "This gets expensive" and "Where do I put them?" Third thought, "Go to the range and shoot something you already own!"

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If you have an older PC laying around, seek out the classic armor game "Steel Panthers World at War". I spent over a decade playing it.

The Tiger apparently was more manueverable than many give it credit for, some sources claim it had better cross country mobility than pre "easy eight" Sermans.

The French put the Panther tank s 75/L70 gun into the first of the Amx13 light tanks. They also used it to upgun some Shermans, as well as just making use directly of some Panthers post war. Some of those upgunned Shermans ended up in Israeli hands.

If so, it is probably in the Musée des Blindées at Saumur, France. That's their Armor Museum and former Cavalry HQ.

As much as I hate to say this, the Russian T-34 was the best tank of the war. The appearance of the t-34 forced the creation of the Panther. The T-34 was simple to maintain, well armed and introduced the concept of sloped armor. The Tiger, Panther, King Tigers where heavy, complex, and notoriously unreliable. I know the tiger and king tiger required a special set of narrow tracks just to transport by train.

I have read that the Panzer IV was he the backbone of German Panzer divisions. Throughout it life it was continuously upgraded and up gunned (50mm to the potent 75mm). It was also the base for many of the German mobile artillery and tank destroyers.

Speaking of Fury, did anyone notice that one of the crew is either or--the guy who played one of the two deputy sheriffs in the first 3 seasons of: The Walking Dead.. Ive only seen a quick second glimpse of him but--to me--if he isnt (Shane) he sure reminds me of him.

Yes, its him. His name is Berenthal orr something.

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Yes and the Transformers guy too

Have you guys ever seen the German mouse tank? 200 tons. 128mm main gun and a 75mm secondary.

A bit off topic but I loved that game. My older brother used to play a game called 1944 (I think) with miniatures and Steel Panthers was just like it without all of the model making. Not sure if my old Win 98 PC would fire up anymore but I should try it for Steel Panthers alone.

Fury does look like a must go for me too. I had not seen the Tiger tank footage until now. I too always thought the Panther was a better tank but that is mostly because it just looked better to me.

Mucho gracias. I couldnt think of his name for the life of me. I liked him in the Walking Dead--and hated that they made him"turn."

I havent seen but part to a transformer movie--I dont know which one? Is he a good or a badguy in it?

The main kid. Shia Top left



2nd top right....in the hat is the guy who played in Shooter with Wahlberg

GatorFarmer, you're a savvy hombre! The Tiger I had very responsive steering: a wheel, not the track braking levers of other tanks. It could turn on its axis just by turning the steering wheel, no forward motion needed. Right after the war, U.S. testers of the Panther found it to be as agile as the light M-24 Chaffee, remarkable, given it's recognized engine and transmission shortcomings.

You are correct as to the Panther's gun: a tank-killing gun pure and simple. Tests at Aberdeen PG in 1946 showed MOA accuracy out to 1,000 yds and the gunner did not have to correct for elevation until past 2,000 yds.

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Think it was nearer 100 tons. There's one in the Russian Kubinka tank museum, along with a 600mm Karl mortar:

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(The link does work).

Looks like quite a place to visit...

During the war, the 88 was so accurate and flat shooting that the Germans literally used it as a sniper rifle, sort of like a giant Barrett .50, to take out high value targets at long range. Our military didn't believe this when they heard it until it was confirmed and demonstrated by German gun crews after the war. Bill S

Bill, thanks for the back! Many lies are often told by technical people about superior enemy weapons so as not to dishearten our personnel. Especially about WWII German armor. Stay safe, partner.

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P.S. I sincerely hope this last running Tiger I was not damaged. I recall when "Memphis Belle" was filmed in the late 80s, that many (12+) of the remaining flyable B-17s in the world were destroyed during the filming.