Zone Alarm firewall and antivirus renewal Help Please.

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I have been using Zone Alarm Pro for quite awhile now, but it
is time to renew. I have been satisfied for now, but online reviews
say others are better and ZA misses viruses. PC mag rates both
Kaspersky and Bitdefender highly but both are slammed by users.
I would like to protect against ransomware but I dont care about
parental controls, and would like to protect my Android
phone.
 
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If I understand your situation, you want to uninstall and remove ZoneAlarm Pro then migrate to a better AV and Firewall software. Is this correct?

Here's the information that I found, including a You Tube video:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=How+do+I+uninstall+Zone+Alarm+Pro

There is also an Uninstall Removal Tool. I saw another listing "How To Fully Remove" This raised the hairs on my back!! My interpretation, based on experience, is that this AV software code really embeds itself in to your systems. By (intentional) design, it can be almost impossible to remove and it also does not peacefully coexist with other AV programs. This means that there may be several problems uninstalling an existing AV program, then installing and using another AV software program. You'll know more (including how to successfully defeat Zone Alarm and migrate) reading the Internet posts.

I agree with you. The Internet environment is becoming more hostile every day and you want to have the best protection possible.

I use Norton Security with Backup and am pleased with the results. I also use Malwarebytes. Other forum members may not have had the same experience that I have had.
 
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I would like to protect against ransomware ...and would like to protect my Android
phone.
Norton's products include combined PC and Android protection. Like the previous post, I also run Malwarebytes. I don't believe any products can protect someone from themselves, if they are the type of user that clicks every link and navigates to places they shouldn't go.
If your worried about ransomware, keep you files partitioned separate from your operating system, and back them up. With the cost of drives so low, you can buy a duplicate and clone the Operating System to it. Any problem, switch drives and overwrite the infected OS.

Here's a Drive Switch Panel I use to isolate different Storage and Operating System drives.




I keep one Operating System Drive just for guests and grandkids. I also back-up to unconnected external drives and the cloud for a total of six separate storage locations on a rotating back-up schedule and three separate Operating System drives.

Might seem obsessive at first glance, but once I set it up, It gave great peace of mind.
 
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IIRC, Malwarebytes just sent an e-mail to me last week that announced that it would now be offering ransomware protection via an add on to my Malwarebytes Premium software. This information in the sites below (see hyperlink) tends to indicate to me that it is still in the Beta testing stages, but other posts indicate that even now it may be effective:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=malwarebytes+ransomware+protection+
 
Over the years I've used several different AV/security programs, including Zone Alarm Pro. I came to the conclusion that none of them will catch 100% of the nasties out there, so why pay for them.

I use free AV programs, keep my software updated, and try to practice safe web-surfing practices. Once every two or three years I may pick up a bug, but the free stuff finds it and kills it.

In the past five years or so I have seen three people with horribly infested computers. One of the machines was an Apple. In each case they were running pay AV software, but basically overruled the software and invited the bugs on to their systems. Also, I just assume that my Android phone is insecure and do not keep anything important or irreplaceable on it.
 
Hi.. thanks for your replies. BSeabrooke, I am looking for the most
effective AV/firewall I can get. If that is ZA that is fine. I am also using
Malwarebytes. I am not sure if these are all that effective, but they
often catch something suspicious and sometimes stop me from going
to a bad site. My computer sometimes slows way down once in a while
for no apparent reason. I think it is sometimes a security scan running.
but not sure.
 
My computer sometimes slows way down once in a while for no apparent reason. I think it is sometimes a security scan running. but not sure.
If you have a legit OS, you can re-install it, and be sure of its condition. Then clone it for insurance.
 
The best AV software opinion may be like the nose on our faces, everyone has one.

I searched the Internet for AV software rankings and was unpleasantly surprised as to how many different and diverse opinions there were. It made me wonder if some sites were receiving "financial incentives" for their evaluations. In the past I have always relied on sources that perform actual laboratory testing and evaluations. This afternoon I searched the "Consumer Reports" and PC Magazine sites that have always been helpful for me.

Consumer Reports states that for most people (users) the free AV may be adequate and effective. I agree with a previous forum member - no AV software that we can afford is 100% effective, AND we should always avoid visiting any questionable or unfamiliar website or hyperlink or opening an e-mail from anyone whom we do not know which is always the wisest course of action! I am not pontificating, but just speaking from my own personal practices.

In this order, Consumer Reports recommends:

1. BullGuard
2. GData
3. ZoneAlarm Professional
4. ESET Smart Security
5. Kaspersky

It was duly noted, with great sadness, that Norton did not appear on this "short list"!
 
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I have used AVAST! (free version) for years, and it has always been reliable for me. It updates frequently. There is also the pay version of AVAST!, but I can't say if it is any better or not, as I don't see any need for it. I also keep Spybot (free) loaded, and it also updates fairly frequently. It is compatible with AVAST!. I figure both in tandem provide adequate malware/spyware protection.
 
General computer info and not directed at anyone... just passing along some pro advice and info.

I've been fixing people's computer issues and my own since 1999 and have been full-time self-employed in my own computer repair business since 2009 doing work for a large customer base of residential and small businesses in the Lexington area. I've removed malware, marketing scams, keyboard loggers, and other **** from computers that had been running Kaspersky, Norton, McAfee, AVG, MSE, Avast, Avira, you name it.

I need to tell you that I haven't run an antivirus on any of my machines since 2005 besides Windows Defender which runs harmlessly in the background of Windows machines. I don't need it. AV programs are mainly a false sense of security. The secret is to not get tricked. Nothing out there currently is going to just jump on your machine - you always give it permission by getting tricked into clicking a button.

Additionally... computer tuneup programs and registry cleaners are absolute junk and are sometimes harmful. If you know someone who is recommending a piece of software that runs in the background to automatically "clean" your computer's registry, that person is an amateur and you should not be taking advice from that person.

My point in mentioning the fact that I do not personally use an antivirus is that if you are going to step in it, you are going to get it on you. When I clean a customer's computer who has been paying for a useless antivirus, I remove it along with all the stuff that the ineffective antivirus let get installed. Occasionally I'll be cleaning a computer and tell the owner something like "Norton is acting up and we need to remove it". He'll say, "But I like Norton! It's good!" Then I'll say, "Well.. it's not too good if you need me to clean all this stuff off and get your computer usable again." Good naturedly of course. They usually take my recommendations when they see how their computers run when I'm finished.

Lots of times, a poorly written and invasive antivirus like Norton, AVG and Kaspersky has flaked out, it's uninstaller won't work and has to be extracted like a bad tooth with a removal tool. Not good. 3rd party firewalls? Windows firewall is adequate for residential users. Why add unnecessary work to a CPU?

Once the antivirus products are removed (some people have several installed that they have forgotten about), if there's a substantial subscription period left, I tell them to contact the AV company, tell them that it didn't work and you had to pay a tech to clean your computer from things their program did not protect against and that you are requesting a prorated refund on the remaining months.

Now I don't really recommend people run naked through the briarpatch, so I install BitDefender Free as their antimalware/antivirus. It's just as good as any of the others but runs leaner with a smaller footprint. Little known.... Windows 10 doesn't need an antivirus. The version of Windows Defender that is on 8.1 and 10 is exactly the same program as Microsoft Security Essentials. Again... you just need to be web-wise, practice safe hex and watch where you step.

So first you need to get clean. So how do you get clean? You need someone who knows what they are doing. What I do first is disable unneeded background processes, There are 3 places where these triggers are placed. System Configuration utility aka msconfig (or Task Manager's Startup tab on 8, 8.1, 10), Task Scheduler in Computer management, and also the Startup folder in the Programs list off of the Start menu. Once I identify the autostarts that need to be dealt with, I remove the trigger, the program and the associated registry settings.

I know what should be running in the background and I know what is not needed. This is something that comes from experience, doing it everyday and seeing the constantly changing landscape.

Next I go to "Add/Remove Programs" aka "Uninstall a Program" aka "Programs and Features" and uninstall everything that should not be in installed on a computer. Not everyone knows what should or should not be in this list. Most don't. I do. I should... I clean several computers a week. Careful here. You don't want to uninstall something you use or something that is important. At the same time, there are a multitude of things that people get tricked into installing that are in this list that have names that look important. Again... this is where experience comes in and there isn't a piece of software called experience.

But there ARE two cleaning programs I do run after I do my manual cleaning things. ADWCleaner (from Bleeping Computer). This is a safe standalone cleaner that is updated almost every day. Whatever it finds, I tell it to clean.

After the reboot I install Malwarebytes Free (opt out of the trail "Pro" version). Update it and hit Scan. Whatever it finds, I select all and Fix Selected. If you couldn't change your homepage back to Google or MSN before, now you should be able to and it should stick.

Unless there's deeper problem like a bootkit or rootkit that requires a sophisticated repair of system files or reinstall to remedy, this process cleans most computers.

Once someone who knows what they are doing cleans your computer, how do you keep it clean?

The answer is don't be gullible. Assume that everyplace and everyone on the interwebs wants to trick you into installing a marketing, tracking or trial program. Everyone wants to be your search provider and wants to install their web page as your browser's home page. I recommend Google as a home page and also as a default search provider. If you have some weird homepage like ASK, MyStart, Searchtheweb, Inbox, Homepage-web, etc, there's no telling what other stuff you have installed on your computer.

Driver updater programs are junk and are dangerous. Toolbars are junk. Coupon Printers, rebate programs, tuneup utilities.... junk. It's a minefield and no antivirus made will save you from yourselves.

Those warnings from web pages saying you are vulnerable, need a "media player" or "flash player" update are hoping you are ignorant about your computer so you will click on them. Adobe Flash Player updates come from Adobe and are not encountered on web pages. Same for JAVA updates. But with both of those safe and sometimes necessary programs, comes their own marketing traps. ASK will be on your computer if you first don't uncheck the ASK option on JAVA updates. Google Chrome, Google toolbar or McAfee Scan will be put on your machine with some Adobe updates unless you uncheck them. I don't recommend that anyone search for and install free software from the Internet unless you know exactly what you are doing and you are good at working the puzzle that allows only the desired software without the 5 or 6 marketing programs that the author is paid to sneak on your machine using tricks, confusing verbiage and hidden installation instructions.

More guidelines.... if you get an email from PayPal saying your information needs to be "verified" or "updated", look out... here comes a scam - you are being phished. If you get an official-looking email with a zipped attachment from the IRS, Post Office, UPS, BBB, or airline that says the accompanying attachment is an audit report, failed shipping notification or tickets, watch out. This one is actually a deadly rattlesnake in a box. The enticing zipped attachment often contains seriously bad ransom-ware in the form of a .scr, exe, or even .rtf that will run a program and encrypt (destroy) your personal data files like pictures and documents. This is nonrecoverable unless you want to pay hundreds to the people wanting the ransom and even then, it's not a sure thing you will get the files decrypted.

Kids and adult's computers don't mix. Get them their own Windows machine that they can screw up (they WILL screw up a computer - it's just a matter of time) or better yet, a tablet running Android, an iPad or Chromebook.

That up there? That's what I do everyday. :)
 
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I use Avast free version and have never had a problem.
 
I've used AVG free for years. It usually comes in a close second to Avast in testing. The most recent test I saw, though, put Panda's free version in first place. I used Norton antivirus for years, but I eventually realized what a resource hog it was slowing down my computer drastically. About that same time I saw tests where the free antivirus products actually rated higher than Norton, so I went with AVG and never looked back.

Windows has its own firewall that works pretty well. Most (maybe all) newer routers have firewalls as well. That's all I use. If you choose not to renew ZA, make sure you enable the Windows firewall and/or the one on your router.
 
I've used AVG free for years. It usually comes in a close second to Avast in testing. The most recent test I saw, though, put Panda's free version in first place. I used Norton antivirus for years, but I eventually realized what a resource hog it was slowing down my computer drastically. About that same time I saw tests where the free antivirus products actually rated higher than Norton, so I went with AVG and never looked back.

Windows has its own firewall that works pretty well. Most (maybe all) newer routers have firewalls as well. That's all I use. If you choose not to renew ZA, make sure you enable the Windows firewall and/or the one on your router.
Panda Cloud (free) used to be the AV that I recommended when a customer did not have a strong preference or had no preference. I installed it for years. Small, light footprint, non-intrusive. The drawback was that it periodically offered users an upgrade to its "Pro" version ($) by way of a little corner alert which promptly slid away. I would just tell customers to ignore the upgrade offer.

Hunky dory until early one morning right about a year ago when a Panda employee put out an update that caused Panda to detect some of its own files and a few Windows system files as malware. People that were on the system at the time were prompted to reboot to finish the malware removal. Those that rebooted were left with computers that would not start. :eek:

Luckily, this update occurred about 8am in Spain which was 3am my time. The problem was caught by Panda almost immediately and the update was retracted. Those that had their computers off or in sleep mode were not affected. Those that had them on were sent an auto-running repair/undo routine which worked. Mostly. Those who were on their computers and rebooted were scrued. But yeah.... some were affected anyway.

I spent the next two days running Panda's "safe mode fix" on my customers' computers who were affected. Maybe 20 customers had problems with only two requiring an operating system reinstall.

That's what turned me off of Panda and I've been recommending Bit Defender Free since.
 
I have been using Zone Alarm Pro for quite awhile now, but it
is time to renew. I have been satisfied for now, but online reviews
say others are better and ZA misses viruses. PC mag rates both
Kaspersky and Bitdefender highly but both are slammed by users.
I would like to protect against ransomware but I dont care about
parental controls, and would like to protect my Android
phone.

I've used Norton 360 for the last several years and never had a problem. Anything good enough for the government is good enough for me. I've had Kapersky and most of the others on different machines at various times for the trial period, and wasn't that impressed. That fella' above gave some pretty good advice about not getting fooled and separating the kid's computers from the adult's computers. Even when you do that, you need to teach everybody what to do if one of those popups gets past the firewall and blockers . . .
 
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