I thought Liberty safes were supposed to be good?

A hole saw and a sawzall...

I could peel my safe open like a can of sardines by drilling a hole in the side, cutting to the four corners and peeling back the sections. That doesn't mean that a safe isn't GOOD. It depends on what it's good for. I have a cheapie Stack On that I keep to keep kids and my son's visitor's hands off my guns. It does just fine for that. Somebody here posted that someone stole a septic tank truck, rammed the house, hoisted the safe and drove off with it.

Let me say that Liberty safes are a GOOD VALUE. Decent safe for not too much money.
 
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03hemi said:
Not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers here, but I was under the impression Liberty safes were good. I was watching "Guns & Gear" and they had a segment were a rep from Cannon safe showed were anybody with a battery grinder could simply grind off the edges of a Liberty (and most other safes) and then simply pry the side off because of the way they're all welded together with the exception of the Cannon. Then he showed both of the safes filled with dynamite and set off, the Liberty was totally destroyed while the Cannon only buckled and stayed shut and locked without any seam damage! Very impressive I should say. Well, I know which safe I'd be getting if buying one, but to be honest, they can ALL be stolen. The only way to truly secure your guns is to have a hidden room that can't be detected from outside in my opinion.
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Iink there is a lot of propaganda from the makers of safes .. you saw a show where Cannon safes show a competitors safe is junk .. here one showing the Cannon is junk ..

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyX7J9XexQ[/ame]

so who do you believe ??
 
03hemi said:
Not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers here, but I was under the impression Liberty safes were good. I was watching "Guns & Gear" and they had a segment were a rep from Cannon safe showed were anybody with a battery grinder could simply grind off the edges of a Liberty (and most other safes) and then simply pry the side off because of the way they're all welded together with the exception of the Cannon. Then he showed both of the safes filled with dynamite and set off, the Liberty was totally destroyed while the Cannon...
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So...you watched an infomercial that Cannon paid for, where they showed how inferior their competitor's products were?

*shrugs* Buy what you can afford. If it ain't heavy, bolt it down. You can feel the difference between a cheap safe and a good one just by knocking on the side. But any safe is better than no safe.
 
My safe is to keep the guns secured from young family members and relatively secure from the quick in-and-out thief that might strike when we are out of the house. A Heist Crew that comes armed with cutting tools and dynamite? Nah, didn't plan on them.
 
Like 450617 said, our typical crackhead burglar is not prepared to spend the time and effort (mostly time) to peel, grind, or pick your safe, especially if an alarm system is blasting. I have seen even the $100.00 metal cabinets defeat a burglar whose sole tool was a big screwdriver that they used to try prying the door open. For most of us whose collections are in the thousands of dollars (not tens or hundreds of thousands) collections will not entice a professional. I am aware of one collector who was equipped with a very large , expensive safe. The crooks used a chainsaw to cut a hole in the exterior wall of his home and used a winch to pull the safe out and onto a trailer.

For most of us, get a decent safe and an excellent alarm system.
 
Hold on here. Where did they fill a safe with dynamite? I want to see it (from a good distance). Do you know how many cubic feet there is inside a normal safe? Lets assume its 2'x2 1/2x 5'. Lets just say 25 cubic feet of dynamite. I don't care if you use 40% or 60% Hi Po. When that sucker goes off, it'll lift the house its in nearly into orbit. Or at least send splinters in to the next county.

If the welds bother you, buy a scratch and dent and have someone run beads all over the insecure parts. If you really think someone is targeting you, fill the safe with black powder and leave home with your valuables. That guy in OK thought his AR15 was adequate, wait till some fool takes a grinder to a huge firecracker. Of course they'll have trouble IDing him. I doubt they'd even find DNA. After the blast, just keep your eyes open for folks you don't see anymore.

Meaningless tests are fun to read. Yes, I had a Browning safe. I gave it away.
 
Yep blowing up a safe to get what's inside is rather stupid. I mean the big bang would shake the neighborhood. There would be so many 911 calls while the thieves were running away laughing before the cops arrive.
I am not sure but I have a feeling heavy explosives are not sold at your local Ace hardware either.
 
This. It was a commercial for one company's safe that called the other company's safe junk.

Not what I'd call an unbiased review.

Plus, as others have noted, any safe will stop 90+% of the thieves that are likely to break into your house. The small number of really hard core thieves won't be stopped by any safe you can afford.

Of course, you could sell all of your really good guns, put the money into a really good safe, and then put all of your Lorcin and High Point guns into it. ;)


Wise_A said:
So...you watched an infomercial that Cannon paid for, where they showed how inferior their competitor's products were?

*shrugs* Buy what you can afford. If it ain't heavy, bolt it down. You can feel the difference between a cheap safe and a good one just by knocking on the side. But any safe is better than no safe.
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gman51 said:
Yep blowing up a safe to get what's inside is rather stupid. I mean the big bang would shake the neighborhood. There would be so many 911 calls while the thieves were running away laughing before the cops arrive.
I am not sure but I have a feeling heavy explosives are not sold at your local Ace hardware either.
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[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i9flhhwkTTA[/ame]
 
In many years as a LEO I have seen two safes stolen, none broken into. Both thefts were inside jobs. One was a druggie step son that knew his step dad was going to be gone. The other was sort of an inside job. The perps knew he was gone after a friend talked about him being gone and how many guns he had. They knocked a small hole in a window, ran a piece of cable through the hole and around the safe, attached it to the bumper of a truck, yanked the safe through the window out into the yard, loaded it into the truck and took off. Both cases were solved and a few of the guns were recovered. Bottom line, don't let folks know what you have and when you're not going to be home. A decent alarm, a house check by local LEO, and good neighbors or family checking when you're gone may help some also. Sign on the back door: "Bubba, I've gone down to the store to get some more ammo, back in a few".
 
The Liberty safe they used is their economy model with external hinges. Not a fair comparison.

Cannons best safe is 12 gauge steel. Liberty's best safe is 7 gauge steel.

12 gauge = 7/64 inch
7 gauge = 3/8 inch

Been opening safes professionally for close to 25 years. Breaking into them is not easy. Given time yes, they MIGHT get in. I've seen some worked on for hours and the bad guys were unsuccessful.

As usual people proclaim how easy it is to break into one not considering that thieves should not find it easy to break into your house, find it, and have all day to work on it.

There are no guaranties. DETERRENCE is what we're after.
 
My Cannon safe kept burglars from taking my valuables and firearms.

They stole every other darn thing not bolted down.

They tried to get in the safe, that's a fact, but they couldn't.

It's in a tight area, bolted down by the bottom and back.
 
I have layered security. Better than average door locks, solid wooden doors, 3" hinge and lock plate screws, monitored intrusion/ motion detection, gun safe in a closet and bolted to the floor. The more time the thief has to take the better.

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Kanewpadle said:
The Liberty safe they used is their economy model with external hinges. Not a fair comparison.

Cannons best safe is 12 gauge steel. Liberty's best safe is 7 gauge steel.

12 gauge = 7/64 inch
7 gauge = 3/8 inch

Been opening safes professionally for close to 25 years. Breaking into them is not easy. Given time yes, they MIGHT get in. I've seen some worked on for hours and the bad guys were unsuccessful.

As usual people proclaim how easy it is to break into one not considering that thieves should not find it easy to break into your house, find it, and have all day to work on it.

There are no guaranties. DETERRENCE is what we're after.
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When it comes to safes I go with Rob ^^^^^^^^
 
Well, that was informing and great post people, especially from LEO and professional safe crackers, thank you, that was the feedback I wanted. Face it, locks are only meant to keep honest people honest. I believe safes are good to keep your valuables from burning and putting one in a hidden room (if able) would be the best way to go.
 
there ,now that the whole world knows what you all have and where its at and how its "secured" they can come prepared cause they all know you ( we) have guns, or we wouldn;t be here......that being said, buy what you can afford, tell NO ONE , and do the install yourself ( contractors talk)
any and ALL systems, safes vaults, alarms etc can be defeated, and are , everyday..........locks , safes, keep out the ***nest' people...worry MORE about the safe keeping your valuables "safe" from fire and water, as well as theft....again buy what you can afford, and USE it........
 
I have a Liberty safe, and keep it hidden in a walk-in closet. The safe is larger than the closet door opening, so getting it out would require some extra time.

There is a warning sticker on the door indicating the safe contains explosives. Sitting on top of the safe is an empty cardboard box from a manufacturer of high explosives used in mining. The box used to contain 60 pounds of Class A explosives and is marked as such.

Now, just how badly do you want to break into my safe?
 
The safe is the middle of the security onion. You have to peel back the other layers to get to it. My safe is in the middle of a big Vidallia onion.
 
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