".22 bullets (LR) are the most deadly because they rattle around bouncing off bone and stuff that they do more damage."

This is becoming more rampant.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

I have even heard of them bouncing off someone's head. There was an incident where man shot his neighbor in the mouth and the neighbor spit the 22 bullet out. Tore his jaw up a little bit.

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That's gonna leave a mark.

I wouldn't expect anything less. That puppy is about 40 gr (that's grams) and 3"- 4" long, 'n sometimes it even wraps around a bone. And it twists up too by the rifling in the gun.
That's why it's called 22 "long rifle"
Terrible thing, that. That's why no armies use it - outlawed by the Treaty of Paris or something.

That sounds like a tough guy movie.

I heard about a guy that was shot and sometime later sneezed the bullet out of his nose.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

Believe that saying evolved from people describing using a 22lr for head shots behind the ear, or through soft tissue. Supposedly the bullet bounces around inside the skull.

I knew a guy that was shot with a 25 auto. When he found out about it later, he was really mad!

I've heard and read a lot of stories and "tall tales???" of what bullets can do or not do in a living body, man or animal. Only wounds I have seen in person are animals I have shot in the honorable pastime of hunting them. From what I've seen while skinning and processing them, from squirrels with a .22 to deer and hogs with a center fire rifle or, my favorite, a 12 gauge slug, I for sure don't want to be hit with any bullet. (or arrow)

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Just a shooter

Here's the way to convert grains to grams . . .

Grains to Grams conversion

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

I know, but "gr" stands for "grams", right? ;>)

well, what does happen when you shoot someone in the head, thru the eye or someplace else the bone is thin?
does it bounce off the back of the skull, or not?
i heard that story in connection to mafia hit men.
i don't know if they really use 22s n if they do, i don't know why.
i do know this.
at 3', out of a 5 1/2'' barrel, a 22 will pass thru 2 2x4s n the heel is buried 1/4'' from the surface of the third.
22s have great penetration, because my 38 does exactly the same, but out of a 4'' barrel.

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susie

That and stories about the M-16 having a .22 bullet and descriptions of how it behaves when someone is shot. There is a just a little bit of difference between a .22 lr and a military 5.56 round.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

A few thousand FPS can make a LOT of difference. Can we say a real mess?

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Just a shooter

I know a fellow from work who got shot, in the arm, with a 22 by a mugger. I don't know how much it bounced around, but he said it HURT like "blue blazes" to keep it forum friendly.

He was a big fellow, 6', 250 or so. He said he screamed and cried like a little girl it hurt so bad.

Now, when I originally heard the "22's bounce around" line many years ago, it was attributed to an ER physician somewhere. Supposedly it was supposed to be a real bear to search out all the places the bullet damaged. Maybe the bullet is so small, and so light, it's easily turned off course. Maybe it breaks apart. Maybe some combination of those,and others factors.

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John 3:16 .

Guy I went through high-school with was shot in the head with a .25 acp. The bullet never penetrated his skull, but traveled under his skin to the top of his head.

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Who are those guys?

I remember reading a story about the attempt to assassinate president
Truman. A secret service agent shot one of the perps with his Detective
Special with .38 Spl. RNL. It hit that bump right at the top of the forehead
and kinda scraped on across his skull. I think that's when they started
looking for some better kind of ammo.

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In Omnia Paratus

"GR," when discussing bullet weight, is "grain . . . "

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

Well, I can tell you from personal experience investigating homicides, two of them were done with .22's. One was a head shot which did in fact bounce around in the skull a bit, the other was a torso shot that bounced around and lacerated almost every vital organ. Bled out internally with very little external signs of blood or damage.

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Support Israel!

I have two “war” stories from my LEO days. First was a lady whose boyfriend shot her in the head, round bounced off, and she was standing on the corner waiting for us to get there, holding a towel to her wound. Next was a huge guy that was laying dead in his front yard following a confrontation. When we arrived nobody was talking and we could not find a wound on him anywhere. In the morgue we found a small .22 entry wound in his armpit covered by the hair, almost no blood, and the round pierced his heart.

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Old Cop
LEO (Ret.)

I'm ok with letting the bad guys think that.

Mossad, modified Ruger MKI & MKII, suppressed, single shot, base of the skull.

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Who watches the watchers?

I have heard it theorized that hit-men sometimes use a standard velocity .22LR because of two things:
1) It will likely kill a man stone-dead if you shoot him in the head and,
2) Standard velocity .22's can be suppressed to almost no sound at all.

Your sig. line - "momicked" - yep, you must be a N.C. native. My mother's side of the family is full-bred hoi-toider, beginning on Portsmouth Island...I mean, Oiland.

Well a .22 is easier to silence than a bigger round. Even without a can its still much quieter with the right ammo than a bigger round. Lots more .22 ammo is sold than other calibers making a investigation a bit harder. The Mafia has its accountants and like most bean counters they complain when bigger more expensive ammo is used!

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14 S&W Revs none with locks!

Probably being perpetuated by some unknowing gun "expert" - probably a media person who always have all of the information on firearms correct in there publications. Who cares if it is accurate or truthful, as long as it sells, go with it and if it gun related make sure it is even more sensational!

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Bill

The .22 long rifle IS the most deadly round. Why? Because anyone who owns a gun probably has at least one. It is the ONLY gun some folks own. It turns up a LOT in police work.

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I read a story many years ago about a man who was shot in the head with a 22. The bullet entered through the outer most edge of his eye socket, did a lap around the inside of his skull and and exited from almost the exact same spot on the other eye. With the help of surgery, he survived with minimal vision loss and zero brain damage.

I don't know if it's true or not but, it WAS in the local news paper.

i'm happy to see some first hand accounts of the lethality of the 22lr.
like it or not, my 2x4 tests tell me a 22 will smash thru a rib cage n damage something important.
the constant barrage of allegations claiming that being hit by a 22 is no big deal are tiresome.

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susie

Any bullet can do anything depending on the particular circumstances.

I have seen a person shot with a .22 long rifle fired from a Remington 552 at a distance of approximately 20 feet. The bullet entered his torso but did not exit, eventually coming to rest in the liver. Made a tiny hole going in and a huge hole when they cut him open to remove the bullet (and part of his liver). That person was me.

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Useless political propaganda

I don't believe anything I read, only half of what I hear, and everything I see. I don't understand everything I see but I believe I've seen it, whatever it was.

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That's just somebody talkin.

Well, they do have that hyper velocity 1450 fps stuff now. That's going to make a mess no matter where it hits you.

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That's just somebody talkin.

Wasn't all the damage that was done to President Reagan in the assassination attempt caused by a 22 Long Rifle?
Jim

That is correct - a Rohm RG-14 revolver.

I believe I like this 10x

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Certified Curmudgeon

And if I remember correctly it was some sort of explosive round.

How much explosive you could put in a .22 I do not know but it cannot be much or do much more than a none explosive round of the same weight!

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14 S&W Revs none with locks!

Yes indeed.

And it came very close to killing him.

I wouldn’t want to be shot with a .22 short even.

Let’s hope the bad guys read how lethal the .22 is and dump their bigger guns.

Watch the video on you tube. There was a SS agent in that pack that was shot in the stomach with the same gun. He went down and didn't get up.

I think a lot of this depends on where you get hit and where the bullet goes after that.

Brady never did fully recover.

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That's just somebody talkin.

You might want to go back and read post 17.

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Oh well, what the hell.

Yeah, but it was also a Devastator exploding projectile, now banned. Big concern during surgery to remove a bullet in him was that it would explode during removal . . .

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Wisdom comes thru fear . . .

The Mob did use .22's often. That's what they used on Sam Giancana with a homemade can on it.

The Israeli Mossad also used Walther PPK 22's to take out the Black September Group responsible
for the 1972 Munich Olympic massacre!

Nothing wrong w/the .22, I saw more people killed with this round during my LEO days than anything else. The real consideration is that it’s not a good fight stopper when other options are readily available. That said I’ve carried a .22 now and then when I could not conceal anything else, and before the sub compact .380s were available.

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Old Cop
LEO (Ret.)

I assume by "This" you mean the number of morons in the world...

A 22lr will killlllll!!


40 grs is 2.59 grams or one graham cracker

Now if you call it a 223 or a 5.56 then it's still a wimpy round
Just going faster

Everyone knows that only a bullet that is at least a 30 or 40 will do anything.

This is a dumb as a bear thread

Is the 22lr a lead round nose, hollow point or what.

Here stand 10 yards away and hold my target, see how you feel later.

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Still Running Against the Wind

Bill Jordan said, with the exception of those killed in wars, there are more
people killed with .22 than any other caliber.

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In Omnia Paratus

The .22 is light, easily deformed, and erratic in tissue. The reason I believe it got the reputation it has, is that the bullets have a tendency to change directing once it hits tissue,or bone. Emergency room doctors may expect to find the bullet in one place, but it's somewhere else. The round itself isn't deadlier than any other caliber, they just happen to be so plentiful. Also since almost everyone's shot a .22 sometime in their lifetime, they start thinking it's not as dangerous as other calibers, and don't give it the respect it deserves.

".22 bullets (LR) are the most deadly because they rattle around bouncing off bone and stuff that they do more damage."


Not sure where you got that quote but when people refer to parts of the body as, "bone and stuff" you have to take it with a grain of salt.

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Isaiah 41:10

For sure, everybody should know that inner stuff are called giblets.

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14 S&W Revs none with locks!

"The Israeli Mossad also used Walther PPK 22's to take out the Black September Group responsible for the 1972 Munich Olympic massacre!"

Quite a few of the Black Septemberists involved in the Munich Massacre were later taken out with Mossad bombs. The Mossad hit teams usually had two assassins with .22 pistols (I had heard that they were usually Berettas, but I suppose they could have been anything). The two Mossad shooters usually got got in close and emptied their guns into the target.