PayPal With Gunbroker Advice

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I'm wanting to sell a few guns from my collection on Gunbroker. I figured I would accept certified/cashiers checks, money orders, and personal checks (of course I would mention all checks must clear before shipping). But does anyone have any experience using PayPal as an accepted form of payment from buyers? Should I accept PayPal, or am I better off not accepting it? Reasons? Thanks for your input guys.
 
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We have members who gave up on trying to get Pay-Pal to return funds that were frozen after Pay-Pal learned the transaction was the sale of gun parts.

How do you justify doing any business with Pay-Pal?
 
+ 3 on " Oh hell no " .
... and them some! :eek: Don't do it! :eek:

I got frozen out of PayPal for LIFE by selling one perfectly legal gun part on GB. They freeze any balance you have for 6 months and you have zero recourse. You'll never be able to use PayPal ever again (LIFE can be a very long time). Why GB even allows anti-gunowner PayPal to be used on its website astounds me. :confused:
 
That's terrible. I have sold about five sets of wooden grips on eBay, but haven't seen any problems yet, thank goodness. Thanks everyone for opening my eyes to this. It's a tragedy there are radical anti 2nd amendment organizations like this that actually violate your rights.
 
That's terrible. I have sold about five sets of wooden grips on eBay, but haven't seen any problems yet, thank goodness. Thanks everyone for opening my eyes to this. It's a tragedy there are radical anti 2nd amendment organizations like this that actually violate your rights.
PayPal does seem to look the other way on gun-related purchases made on eBay... sort of courtesy to their old business partner? Who knows? :confused: It probably helps that eBay has its own strict policies for what they consider "socially acceptable" to sell. :rolleyes:
 
That is a wonderful reason to absolutely never use PayPal on Gunbroker. Thank you!

Since PayPal refuses to allow purchases of firearms...I have refused to utilize PayPal for "ANY" type of transaction, on GunBroker or any other site.....period.

Think about it. There are a multitude of safe and easy to use ways to make purchases ...... why use PayPal and 'give profit' to an entity that discriminates against law-abiding gun owners. I refuse to use them and I let them know about it every time they contact me (which is very often).

It's my opinion that any of these companies that discriminate against gun owners in any way...the best way to let them know they are losing $$$ is to not use them...& let them know WHY. Maybe it's a slight inconvenience to me, but I believe that its worth it to do whats right......JMO.

Don
 
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I ran millions through a title company before I retired. The issue of fund clearance was always on top of my worries. This information is a few years old, but probably still valid:

when I asked my banker when a Hong Kong check would "absolutely clear", her answer was "never, the issuing bank can always make a claim against your account and we must deduct from your account" then fight it out in Hong Kong.

I met a white faced attorney who had just dispursed millions on a closing after confirming with his bank that the funds had been wired and received. The person wiring the funds called and said it was a mistake, and his account was charged back (eventually fixed). I did not know until then that a "ACH Funds Transfer" is reversible, as opposed to an actual "Fed Wire". My banker told me to set up a separate account for all wires, to take the money out of that account as soon as it was available and put it into another bank, so that if a reversal is initiated, it is not automatic, leaving it to be sorted out by the courts but at least you don't automatically lose your money.

Banker told me that we have a treaty with Canada that , even though the check has "actually cleared" a Canadian can claim fraud up to 6 months later and my bank is obligated to reverse the funds. Sure, it can be sorted out later, (in Canada?) but what a pita.

I love using cc on purchases from venders, and it is a pita to get a postal money order. But in my opinion an individual seller can't do better=I have never heard of the PO paying then claiming it was a bad check, but I would not be surprised if there is a way.
 
I ran millions through a title company before I retired. The issue of fund clearance was always on top of my worries. This information is a few years old, but probably still valid:

when I asked my banker when a Hong Kong check would "absolutely clear", her answer was "never, the issuing bank can always make a claim against your account and we must deduct from your account" then fight it out in Hong Kong.

I met a white faced attorney who had just dispursed millions on a closing after confirming with his bank that the funds had been wired and received. The person wiring the funds called and said it was a mistake, and his account was charged back (eventually fixed). I did not know until then that a "ACH Funds Transfer" is reversible, as opposed to an actual "Fed Wire". My banker told me to set up a separate account for all wires, to take the money out of that account as soon as it was available and put it into another bank, so that if a reversal is initiated, it is not automatic, leaving it to be sorted out by the courts but at least you don't automatically lose your money.

Banker told me that we have a treaty with Canada that , even though the check has "actually cleared" a Canadian can claim fraud up to 6 months later and my bank is obligated to reverse the funds. Sure, it can be sorted out later, (in Canada?) but what a pita.

I love using cc on purchases from venders, and it is a pita to get a postal money order. But in my opinion an individual seller can't do better=I have never heard of the PO paying then claiming it was a bad check, but I would not be surprised if there is a way.
Two key points to gather from this in regard to PayPal:

1) If you do use PayPal for selling, spend or take your money out of your PayPal account as soon as possible.

2) Have one credit card that you link to PayPal. Do not give PayPal your bank account information. Have them mail you a check or use the money up ASAP for purchases. They will hound you for that bank account information, but if/when they lock you out for LIFE on a whim, you will have to change your bank account(s) to new banks or at least to new account(s) at your existing bank. There is no way to de-link your existing accounts after they have frozen you out. In other words, they will retain legal access to your bank accounts and there is nothing you can do about it except close those accounts and open new ones, preferably somewhere else. :mad:

And, BTW, it does no good to try to de-link them at your bank. PayPal owns many different banking ID numbers (whatever they are called), any one of which can draw from your account. :mad:
 
to K22Fan, what did paypal do with the frozen funds?
I do not know. In this thread TTSH wrote that he was banned for life and his funds were frozen for 6 months. He did not write that his money was returned after 6 months but if it was not I think he'd be squawking louder. Perhaps the other members eventually got their money back.

Question for TTSH: Did Pay-Pal change you unexpected fees or did you get all your frozen funds back?
 
I do not know. In this thread TTSH wrote that he was banned for life and his funds were frozen for 6 months. He did not write that his money was returned after 6 months but if it was not I think he'd be squawking louder. Perhaps the other members eventually got their money back.

Question for TTSH: Did Pay-Pal change you unexpected fees or did you get all your frozen funds back?
I was extremely lucky that in one regard: I had taken out all the money I had in my PayPal account one or two days before they froze my account. Otherwise, it would have been frozen for six months with PayPal able to take back whatever money they deemed associated with my sin of selling a perfectly legal gun part.

But now I am frozen out for life. I have tried to appeal it and I have gotten nowhere. Life means life to PayPal they said.

To protect myself, I closed all my bank accounts and changed the account numbers on the credit cards I had given PayPal to use. Very weirdly, they still send me policy and term updates even though I am locked out for life. Just their way of reminding me that... in their opinion... I broke their anti-gun rules. :mad:
 
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