"FURY" with Brad Pitt. Movie

biku324 said:

What rape??

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A bunch of armed guys invade your home, where your young daughter is present. One armed guy tells another if you don’t take her in there and do her, I will. Girl is taken into room while Mom is held outside. Not exactly consensual. Of course since the story is told from our side: she liked it, and was conveniently killed soon after.

I like the rest of the movie, but that scene gave me the creeps.

Sums it up for me.

DWalt said:

For my wife and I, we always need the subtitles on. A good war movie, but I never thought it was exceptional. One viewing was enough.

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sigp220.45 said:

A bunch of armed guys invade your home, where your young daughter is present. One armed guy tells another if you don’t take her in there and do her, I will. Girl is taken into room while Mom is held outside. Not exactly consensual. Of course since the story is told from our side: she liked it, and was conveniently killed soon after.

I like the rest of the movie, but that scene gave me the creeps.

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Rewatch the scene, it's not like what you said. And it was NOT mother and daughter.

I've watched it twice and am watching it a third time on AMC as I type this.

A very well done picture IMO. One of the better WWII films I've seen.

One of my older brothers was in the
4th Armored with Patton. He didn't
tell me about the gore so much but what
it was like fighting German tanks.

The movie was spot on in fighting the
panzer. He was a driver but sometimes
switched and took the bow machine gun.

And I really liked
the fact they carried eggs with them which
my brother said was a common practice.
Of course, the eggs were gotten at farms
and not necessarily paid for.

Ματθιας;140782096 said:

Rewatch the scene, it's not like what you said. And it was NOT mother and daughter.

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I’ve seen it a few times. If it was Japanese soldiers and an American woman and girl everyone would say it was rape.

Guy with a gun has sex with a girl whose home he just invaded while more guys with guns wait outside, one of whom had just threatened rape.

Of course maybe it was love at first sight.

I like the movie, don’t like that scene.

sigp220.45 said:

A bunch of armed guys invade your home, where your young daughter is present. One armed guy tells another if you don’t take her in there and do her, I will. Girl is taken into room while Mom is held outside. Not exactly consensual. Of course since the story is told from our side: she liked it, and was conveniently killed soon after.

I like the rest of the movie, but that scene gave me the creeps.

Ματθιας;140782096 said:

Rewatch the scene, it's not like what you said. And it was NOT mother and daughter.

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I just finished watching this scene. It was a young girl and her older cousin.

Yes, the GIs come into the home with guns. Yes the Wardaddy character tells the Norman character that "she's a good clean girl and if you don't take her into that bedroom I will"

HOWEVER, at that point it is the girl (Emma) who gets up, takes Norman by the hand, and leads him to the bedroom and closes the door. The two of them also spend some time talking and holding hands (Norman reads her palm) before they start kissing, etc. The girl doesn't behave like she is being coerced, but of course one can't know what was in Emma's mind at the time.

Also, at that point that all this transpires, everyone has put aside their guns and the older woman is cooking them a meal of eggs (provided by the GIs) while the Wardaddy character is washing up. After the girl and Norman go into the bedroom, Wardaddy tells the older cousin "They're young, and they're alive" and gives her a knowing look. Her reply to him is "Bitte" - which means "Please" - and she says it with a very neutral tone and look on her face. Never could quite figure out what that was supposed to mean. Please...what? Stop them? Go away? Treat us well?

A little later after Emma and Norman come out of the bedroom, they are behaving like any young couple who like and are getting to know each other - very flirty.

So I have to agree with Ματθιας that the scene isn't quite as you seem to remember or describe it sigp220.45

It starts out kind of coercive, then evolves into more of a mutual thing where they are all attempting to reach some kind of normalcy in a situation that is anything but normal.

When it really gets creepy IMO, is after the rest of the tank crew barges in. Some of those guys are seriously messed up by the things they have seen and done in their efforts to win the war.

Yeah, I’m probably warped by all the rape cases I’ve worked.

The story is told from the point of view of the soldiers. That’s the problem. The bare facts say something else.

Its only a movie.

2 things, I just don't believe they would stay with a busted tank and take on a Company of SS, (I believe it was a Company).

Second thing, when the SS troop looked under the tank and saw the only survivor, he would have either killed him right then or captured him so they could have tortured him to death.

sigp220.45 said:

I’ve seen it a few times. If it was Japanese soldiers and an American woman and girl everyone would say it was rape.

Guy with a gun has sex with a girl whose home he just invaded while more guys with guns wait outside, one of whom had just threatened rape.

Of course maybe it was love at first sight.

I like the movie, don’t like that scene.

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The girls didn't speak English. How did they know what was being talked about?

If they did have sex, how was it rape when the girl grabbed the guy by the jacket and led him to the room? And when they were together, he was reading her palm?

Did they have sex? In the movie it wasn't clear but it was IMPLIED.

And as the young guy was leaving, she didn't seem to be traumatized. In fact, she was upset and walked him out.

Again, where was the rape?

Don't believe me, on youtube, the scene is called; "Fury, 2014 [Scene] - "It's called war! You feel it?""

The "uncomfortable" part was when the rest on the crew joined in for the meal.

Edit: I just saw the reply from BC38.

ron_c said:

2 things, I just don't believe they would stay with a busted tank and take on a Company of SS, (I believe it was a Company).

Second thing, when the SS troop looked under the tank and saw the only survivor, he would have either killed him right then or captured him so they could have tortured him to death.

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Yeah, those both seem like a bit of a stretch.

Wardaddy initially tries to get the rest of the crew to leave though. He says he is going to stay because "this (tank) is my home". The rest of them choose to make a stand with and because of him. Pretty unrealistically noble considering they know it is suicide. But they were "the greatest generation" and our current standards (or lack of same) don't reflect the sense of duty and self-sacrifice that a lot of them exhibited. There were a number of real-life stories of people making those same kind of self-sacrificial stands against all odds in that conflict.

The German soldier choosing NOT to capture or kill Norman at the end of the battle seems totally unrealistic though. The tank crew has just killed a LOT of the soldiers in that German soldier's company, and I just can't imagine anyone all hopped up from the heat of battle not wanting to take revenge on the lone survivor. That seems to go against most everything I've ever seen of human nature.

Not "Saving Private Ryan" but worth a watch.

Ματθιας;140782158 said:

The girls didn't speak English. How did they know what was being talked about?

If they did have sex, how was it rape when the girl grabbed the guy by the jacket and led him to the room? And when they were together, he was reading her palm?

Did they have sex? In the movie it wasn't clear but it was IMPLIED.

And as the young guy was leaving, she didn't seem to be traumatized. In fact, she was upset and walked him out.

Again, where was the rape?

Don't believe me, on youtube, the scene is called; "Fury, 2014 [Scene] - "It's called war! You feel it?""

The "uncomfortable" part was when the rest on the crew joined in for the meal.

Edit: I just saw the reply from BC38.

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I agree the scene isn’t written as a rape.

If I cared enough, I would tell the story from the women’s side, Rashomon style. But I don’t.

I liked it for the mechanical revelation. It gets kinda boring in the philosophical part. But that's Hollywood today. A bit of something for everyone.

In Texas terms...
Good flick.
Did not like the Sarge makin the pup kill the krout.
Did not like the the home scene with the women.
Did not like the young blonde Fraulien(sp) gettin
"blowed up".

Why these got deleted is beyond me;

Youtube

Fury - deleted scene (Rose)"

Fury - deleted scene (Shooting Horses)

Fury - deleted scene (Nervous Soldier)

Fury Alternate Scene - Best Job I Ever Had (1080p)

Something in the background.....

PeterJ said:

Really liked the movie also, but at this time in my life I HAVE to have the subtitles on,,, I can’t imagine anyone even with good hearing can understand every word that is said in most movies today.

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..is making noise or even music is playing while dialogue is going. And if it's silent, the actor 'mutters' ala Orson Wells in "Touch of Evil. That's a sign of class an actor can give. Keep 'em guessing about what you are saying.....

"Huuuuuuuh? WhAAAAT?! WHAT'S HE SAYING!?!?!?"





That's one reason I like to watch in a format I can rewind. By the time wife and I get what they're saying, the movie has gone on five minutes.