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don't remember which bureau it was anymore, but I had an account that wasn't mine listed under my name. It was for a department store and was opened in 1965. I was 9. Somehow about 40 years later, they decided it was mine, even though the acct was in my dad's name, and my mother's checking acct had made all the payments since my dad died in '73. So I notified them of the mistake, and that's when it got weird. There was a zero balance, and anytime it had been used in years, it was paid off immediately. After a week or so, I got a letter, and I still have it someplace. It's downright hostile, saying it IS my account, and they would not remove it, since it's "obviously" my acct! So I called the number on the letter and I spoke to the woman who had written me the nasty letter. I asked her how could it be my acct when my mom had been paying it all those years, and I was only 9 when it was opened? She said, "Don't be silly!" when I said I was 9 in '65. I asked her how old did she think I am? Somehow, they had my dad, who has a totally different first and middle name was "the same person using an alias". I told her, "I have never gone under any name but XXXXX XXXXXXXX, and she snorted. I said, "If I was my dad, I would be in my late 80's, you understand that, right?". I sound even today much younger than my age on the phone, so I don't know what she was tripping on. So then she says "Your wife was born in 1925 and you were born in 1912!". At that point I asked her, and I probably shouldn't have done it, "Are you on drugs?". She hung up. I called back and asked for a supervisor, and if I would have gotten her again, I was ready to bail. I ended up getting a guy with a British accent, and he put me on hold for a while and comes back on and says, "So you were never known as XXXXX XXXXXXXX?". "No, that's my father, and he's been dead 39 years (At that time)!" He then asks me if there are any other accounts listed that aren't mine. "No, just that one, and again, I was NINE when my parents opened that account!". He then says, "Who is XXXXX XXXXXXXX?". "My mother!". He says, "I'll investigate this and get back to you!". I was at that point kind of just thinking they had no idea what they were doing, and I said, "You really need to investigate this nonsense, over an account with no balance on it?". He said, "This is a serious matter, and I have to warn you, if you have made fraudulent claims, there can be legal consequences!". I laughed and said, "Well, you and your crack investigators go all out and get to the bottom of this caper, and goodbye!". I waited and waited and finally this letter shows up, and it's almost as bizarre as the first one, but not nearly as hostile. It said that they had investigated, and found that I wasn't the same person as (my dad). Yay! And they had removed all connections to him from my report, BUT the acct I never had WAS determined to be mine. I had to call back, so I got another person, this guy sounded like a Chicago gangster, and he was the first sane person I spoke to. He asked me if my father died on a certain date, in what city, etc, and I said yes. He then asked me if I had bought a rug at that store a couple of years ago with that card. "Yeah, for my mother!". He seemed to understand that and I got a letter about 2 weeks later saying that the account had been removed! It appeared on my mom's report, which is where it should have been all along.

But the weirdness wasn't over yet. Shortly before my mom passed away in 2012, she had me go to that store's website and buy her a couple of things. No problem, I used the credit card which was still valid, and I put it all under her name and address. The stuff came a few days later. So about a week after that, I began getting mail in my dad's name. Not a little, but a lot. That had happened before, but not recently, and not after the account was removed. After a while, it would stop. I got a gift card for the store in 2017, and I went online to buy something for my new place with it. I used the credit card for like a $7 balance. Immediately, I got slammed with email for my father, with his actual birthdate. He would have been 105 in 2017. Snail mail followed, mostly for insurance he was too old to even get. I finally called the store's customer service number and closed the account. I thought, "That should be the end of the mail!". Nope. Just going to the site and looking at something will still trigger a flood of mail. At this point, I just laugh and show my friends how dad lives on, almost 50 years after he died..It's just too crazy.
 
Yep, you’re right it’s Chapter 13 that’s the reorganization and repayment of debt.

There’s a distinct difference between the Public Record section of a credit report and the Trades section ..... its in the Trades section where a creditor may report that your account was “included in bankruptcy”.
 
don't remember which bureau it was anymore, but I had an account that wasn't mine listed under my name. It was for a department store and was opened in 1965. I was 9. Somehow about 40 years later, they decided it was mine, even though the acct was in my dad's name, and my mother's checking acct had made all the payments since my dad died in '73. So I notified them of the mistake, and that's when it got weird. There was a zero balance, and anytime it had been used in years, it was paid off immediately. After a week or so, I got a letter, and I still have it someplace. It's downright hostile, saying it IS my account, and they would not remove it, since it's "obviously" my acct! So I called the number on the letter and I spoke to the woman who had written me the nasty letter. I asked her how could it be my acct when my mom had been paying it all those years, and I was only 9 when it was opened? She said, "Don't be silly!" when I said I was 9 in '65. I asked her how old did she think I am? Somehow, they had my dad, who has a totally different first and middle name was "the same person using an alias". I told her, "I have never gone under any name but XXXXX XXXXXXXX, and she snorted. I said, "If I was my dad, I would be in my late 80's, you understand that, right?". I sound even today much younger than my age on the phone, so I don't know what she was tripping on. So then she says "Your wife was born in 1925 and you were born in 1912!". At that point I asked her, and I probably shouldn't have done it, "Are you on drugs?". She hung up. I called back and asked for a supervisor, and if I would have gotten her again, I was ready to bail. I ended up getting a guy with a British accent, and he put me on hold for a while and comes back on and says, "So you were never known as XXXXX XXXXXXXX?". "No, that's my father, and he's been dead 39 years (At that time)!" He then asks me if there are any other accounts listed that aren't mine. "No, just that one, and again, I was NINE when my parents opened that account!". He then says, "Who is XXXXX XXXXXXXX?". "My mother!". He says, "I'll investigate this and get back to you!". I was at that point kind of just thinking they had no idea what they were doing, and I said, "You really need to investigate this nonsense, over an account with no balance on it?". He said, "This is a serious matter, and I have to warn you, if you have made fraudulent claims, there can be legal consequences!". I laughed and said, "Well, you and your crack investigators go all out and get to the bottom of this caper, and goodbye!". I waited and waited and finally this letter shows up, and it's almost as bizarre as the first one, but not nearly as hostile. It said that they had investigated, and found that I wasn't the same person as (my dad). Yay! And they had removed all connections to him from my report, BUT the acct I never had WAS determined to be mine. I had to call back, so I got another person, this guy sounded like a Chicago gangster, and he was the first sane person I spoke to. He asked me if my father died on a certain date, in what city, etc, and I said yes. He then asked me if I had bought a rug at that store a couple of years ago with that card. "Yeah, for my mother!". He seemed to understand that and I got a letter about 2 weeks later saying that the account had been removed! It appeared on my mom's report, which is where it should have been all along.

But the weirdness wasn't over yet. Shortly before my mom passed away in 2012, she had me go to that store's website and buy her a couple of things. No problem, I used the credit card which was still valid, and I put it all under her name and address. The stuff came a few days later. So about a week after that, I began getting mail in my dad's name. Not a little, but a lot. That had happened before, but not recently, and not after the account was removed. After a while, it would stop. I got a gift card for the store in 2017, and I went online to buy something for my new place with it. I used the credit card for like a $7 balance. Immediately, I got slammed with email for my father, with his actual birthdate. He would have been 105 in 2017. Snail mail followed, mostly for insurance he was too old to even get. I finally called the store's customer service number and closed the account. I thought, "That should be the end of the mail!". Nope. Just going to the site and looking at something will still trigger a flood of mail. At this point, I just laugh and show my friends how dad lives on, almost 50 years after he died..It's just too crazy.

It sounds like your father's ghost has found a home - in a department store's computer system! :eek: It's still one heck of a tale.

The funny bit is, even though that account wasn't yours there is a possibility that since it was always paid and remained in good standing that the extreme age of the account was actually GOOD for your credit score! :p
 
It sounds like your father's ghost has found a home - in a department store's computer system! :eek: It's still one heck of a tale.

The funny bit is, even though that account wasn't yours there is a possibility that since it was always paid and remained in good standing that the extreme age of the account was actually GOOD for your credit score! :p

I wondered about that! I wondered if the account i had a 14..Yes, 14, at a long gone electronics chain called Burstein-Applebee Electronics had anything to do with me always having a decent score. How I got a $400 limit, quickly raised to $1000, I have no idea. They had a lot of recently discontinued items and I spent a lot of money there. I wonder if giving 14 year old kids credit cards is what did them in?

By the time I was 18, I had a Sears card, a Gulf Oil card, and a Chevron card. Yeah, I got stupid with them a few times, but mostly I was able to control myself. Now I have zero CC balances, just a car loan and a loan that I used to pay off cards with a few years ago. 2 years and I'm debt free 100%.
 
Paying off loans on time is what determines how credit worthy you are. If you pay cash for everything, then you have no history to help the lenders determine if you are likely to pay your loans off.

Example, my current credit score is 837. As a result, when I went to refinance my car loan from last year, I was offered a rate of 1.88%. That's over $100.00 less per month on payments. I have a credit history going back to the late 1970s and have never missed a payment on anything. Same goes for my wife.

OTOH, I have a friend who is around 50. Up until a few years ago, he paid for everything in cash, including his vehicles and a house. Not that he's super rich, but he never married and saved his money.

Due to some personal stuff, he found he needed a new car and didn't have enough cash on hand. He applied for a car loan and was flat out rejected. NO ONE gets rejected for car loans. Practically no one anyway. They may have to pay exorbitant interest rates, but they get the loan.

He went ballistic and complained to the bank that rejected his loan. The loan officer replied that because he had never taken and paid off a loan or mortgage, he was statistically a bad risk.

He finally worked his way through the various layers of management and got a loan, but he is still paying a lot of interest.

My daughter had a similar experience, but when she was just out of college. She worked hard to build up a good record and she now has very good credit.

My son is teaching his kids about all of this before they are even out of grade school. It's too bad that schools don't teach any of this any longer, but that's a different subject all together.
 
I recall some years ago I saw that credit card companies
sometimes refer to holders who pay off their card every
month as...wait for it...Deadbeats! No money to make here.

My folks had a crazy high limit on their credit card, but the company dropped it because they paid it off every month.

I do the same, but my limit is only $9K and they haven't reduced it yet.

When I bought my Tacoma in 2018 they offered me a better deal to finance it thru Toyota. I checked it out and there was no pre pay penalty. I made 4 payments.
 
My son is teaching his kids about all of this before they are even out of grade school. It's too bad that schools don't teach any of this any longer, but that's a different subject all together.

I don't remember the school ever teaching this. Probably why so many people got in financial trouble. When I was doing collection work I ended up being an improptu financial advisor to a lot of the debtors I dealt with.
 
The only thing about finances they taught us in school was one day, someone from one of the local banks came in and showed us how to write a check. Nothing about balancing, etc. I think it was 5th or 6th grade.
 
My credit score doesn't matter. I don't borrow money, I lend it (or invest it).

I know that this sounds arrogant, and not everyone can do it yet, but it is a goal to work towards. This way, when you get old, you can spend effort figuring out how to keep the governments from stealing your money when you die.
 
The FICO score is a sham. After my wife and I paid off our house and a car about 20 years we did not buy anything on time. We saved, and paid cash for everything. Fast foward to 2017 we decided we needed a newer vehicle went to a dealership and picked out a 2014 Nissan Rogue. We had the money in savings to buy it outright, but decided to finance it. What a pain, because we had no credit history we liked to have never got it financed. I even went to my own bank one I had been using for 30 years (through several name changes) they wouldn't loan me the money even after I told them I had enough money in savings to cover it. I finally went to a locally owned bank in our town. They looked at our bank, and work records and made the loan. I immediately went back to my bank asked to speak to the branch manager told him I was moving my accounts to my new bank.
I now keep a Cabelas Master Card just to keep a credit score I think it's around 730 I pay the card off every month.
 
When my third son went to college, I encouraged him to get a credit card in his own name. While I was still supporting him, transferring an allowance monthly to his bank account, I wanted him to establish a strong credit rating. By the time he got his MS, six years later, and got his first full-time job, he had an excellent credit rating.

A lot of his college friends used credit cards provided/sponsored by their parents. They had to start building their own credit record after college.

(Shortly after he got his full-time job, he upgraded his credit card to one with a lot of travel benefits. Sounded like a good deal, so I applied for the same card. The card company have him a higher credit limit than they gave me!:D)
 
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