CAJUNLAWYER
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10mm vs 45 acp
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Funflyer
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I enjoy watching Paul's videos but always set the playback speed to either 1.25 or 1.5 because he's a bit long-winded.
Back to the real world, I'll have to say I've been to several autopsies and read many more coroner reports reference the result of various people shot with the 'venerable' .45 acp. Notwithstanding the importance of proper training and practice, the newer bullet designs, like the Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot and the Winchester Ranger T-Series, are truly devastating.
Surely, everyone who carries has to make their own choice (if the choice is not dictated by department policy), and not all can handle the .45acp, but I can't imagine a more suitable round for personal defense for those who are proficient with this particular caliber.
Surely, everyone who carries has to make their own choice (if the choice is not dictated by department policy), and not all can handle the .45acp, but I can't imagine a more suitable round for personal defense for those who are proficient with this particular caliber.
Just like concealed vs OC, flip phone vs smart phone, striker vs hammer, etc, after 20 minutes “do what’s right for you”.
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Between the two, it's whatever one makes you happy, but the 10mm usually gives you an extra round or two in the magazine. Nonetheless, neither will do much if you don't put it in the right spot.
Jon651
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.45 ACP is my preferred caliber. My personal thoughts are that the research that led to the development of that round is no less valid today that it was at the turn of the 19th-20th Century.
Yes, there will always be improvements and developments and better/worse/similar/different rounds that become available but much like my dad (who is 92) it's hard to argue with longevity!
Yes, there will always be improvements and developments and better/worse/similar/different rounds that become available but much like my dad (who is 92) it's hard to argue with longevity!
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Excellent demo and comparison. Would have thought he would have worn ear muffs and glasses during all shooting. Should have used 1911’s. Would like to see similar with 38 auto.
Bullet performance is affected by three features: mass, Muzzle velocity and bullet design.
So you have Slow and big .45acp vs smaller and much faster 10mm. I would hate to have to live on the difference given same bullet design. I have never seen the affects of a 10mm gunshot wound in person but I've seen plenty of the old .45 ball ammo the gave us back in the day. I can't imagine a hand gun caliber (except the .50) being any more destructive.
My main carry gun is now a Glock 20sf 10mm and it is a beast. I'm confident in it's capability and I can shoot it well enough.
So you have Slow and big .45acp vs smaller and much faster 10mm. I would hate to have to live on the difference given same bullet design. I have never seen the affects of a 10mm gunshot wound in person but I've seen plenty of the old .45 ball ammo the gave us back in the day. I can't imagine a hand gun caliber (except the .50) being any more destructive.
My main carry gun is now a Glock 20sf 10mm and it is a beast. I'm confident in it's capability and I can shoot it well enough.
I carried a Browning High Power in 40 S&W when our issue round was 45 ACP. The 180 grain 40 penetrates better, or did at the time. If there had been a 10mm High Power, I'd have carried it with 200 grain bullets.
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DWalt
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.45 ACP is my preferred caliber. My personal thoughts are that the research that led to the development of that round is no less valid today that it was at the turn of the 19th-20th Century.
That research was very primitive compared to what would be done today. One of the older editions of Gun Digest had an article which included the transcript of the 1904 Thompson-LaGarde tests that ultimately resulted in the adoption of the .45 ACP. To say the tests were crude and poorly constructed is a compliment.
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Jon651
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That may be true, but penicillin was an accident. As were x-rays, the microwave oven, Vaseline, insulin and dozens (if not hundreds) of other things. That doesn't mean they don't work and aren't valuable even if how they were invented didn't have the best possible methodology for the results that were achieved.
What I have noticed when it comes to scientific/engineering testing is when you make the tests so stringent and rigidly structured you invariably get a result that may pass those tests with flying colors but oftentimes fails in the "real world" because reality is chaotic and varied compared to the testing regimen.
Can anyone really argue that the .45 ACP hasn't been - and still is - an effective and lethal round literally in spite of its developmental process that is supposedly so "flawed"?
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LVSteve
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Advanced level duct tape for the win!!!!
A 180gr FMJ at 1200 FPS vs the meat would have been quite instructive, I think.
A 180gr FMJ at 1200 FPS vs the meat would have been quite instructive, I think.
sparkyvega
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If you have a 45, people will assume you were born in ninteen ought elevty-twelve!
I still carry a .380 with 7 rounds of ball.
I'll be at the kid's table if anyone needs me.
I'll be at the kid's table if anyone needs me.
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Refreshing to see reference to Thompson- LaGarde tests. Consider the technology at that time and the results. Pretty sure many here remember the LEAA tests in the 70’s that showed the 9mm the best cartridge, lol, choke, choke, spit….
I went from a .41 Mag duty gun to 10mm when I moved back to the ranch. 10mm is not equal to 41 mag, but it's a very salty round.
It's doing the same at 100 yards as a .45 does at the muzzle.
I flattened a coyote at 80 yards with mine.
Shot a road struck antelope in the back of the head from about 20 yards.
Blew both eyes out of their sockets.
Shot an 800 pound heifer that had been hit on the road by a truck. Shot her above the eyes. Bullet went through the head and lodged in the spine between the shoulders. Knocked her over backwards.
I retired the 10mms when I moved back to town. I worried about too much penetration and went to a 45.
As I have aged and not out and about as much, I have wandered down to the P365 for EDC.
I would have to say that 10mm is my favorite cartridge, but I just don't have the need for that much horsepower living in town.
It's doing the same at 100 yards as a .45 does at the muzzle.
I flattened a coyote at 80 yards with mine.
Shot a road struck antelope in the back of the head from about 20 yards.
Blew both eyes out of their sockets.
Shot an 800 pound heifer that had been hit on the road by a truck. Shot her above the eyes. Bullet went through the head and lodged in the spine between the shoulders. Knocked her over backwards.
I retired the 10mms when I moved back to town. I worried about too much penetration and went to a 45.
As I have aged and not out and about as much, I have wandered down to the P365 for EDC.
I would have to say that 10mm is my favorite cartridge, but I just don't have the need for that much horsepower living in town.
oink
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I have a Glock model 40 that I'm pretty fond of. However I'm currently running a 40S&W barrel in it as I always lose 2/3 of my 10mm brass while the 40 S&W brass drops at my feet.
Even with the long slide the Model 40, shooting the Sig performance ammo, has considerably more recoil than the model 21 shooting the comparable ammo. I suspect the model 20 would be even more noticeable.
I do prefer larger calibers like 10s, 45s, 44s and even 40s. My current EDC is an XDS in 45, but that can easily change. However, I carried my S&W Shield 9 for a good while until I got tired of it's sharp edged rear sight drilling a hole in my fat roll.
I would like a Glock 20 but it would be too big for regular EDC so I guess I'll just stick with my model 40. If I'm wearing enough clothes to conceal a Glock 20 (rare other than Sunday) I can conceal the model 40 just as easily.
Even with the long slide the Model 40, shooting the Sig performance ammo, has considerably more recoil than the model 21 shooting the comparable ammo. I suspect the model 20 would be even more noticeable.
I do prefer larger calibers like 10s, 45s, 44s and even 40s. My current EDC is an XDS in 45, but that can easily change. However, I carried my S&W Shield 9 for a good while until I got tired of it's sharp edged rear sight drilling a hole in my fat roll.
I would like a Glock 20 but it would be too big for regular EDC so I guess I'll just stick with my model 40. If I'm wearing enough clothes to conceal a Glock 20 (rare other than Sunday) I can conceal the model 40 just as easily.
