Should Juvenile criminal records be visible to NICS

Should Juvenile Criminal record be visible to NICS

  • Yes

    Votes: 110 85.9%

  • NO

    Votes: 18 14.1%
  • Total voters
    128
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I would say that it depends on what the child was in for.

Fights, drugs and gun related acts should go on record, which could
move on to bigger problems down the line.

Parents neglect or worse, is not put into most cases but............
it is one major problem that can light the fuse..................
and raising children with good moral structures is not happening in a lot
of the cases that turn badly, today.
 
Save Ferrous! said:
Would an arrest but no guilty verdict matter for either a child or adult?

You could be arrested any time for an accusation that turns out to not be true. Should that come up when a check is performed?
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A lot of "Guilty" get off with a good lawer or...........
if the LE people mess up and don't dot their "I's" and cross their "T's".

It is too bad that the old law of an eye for an eye, is not not on the books any more.

Our legal system has gotten way too soft.
 
I voted no. I am aware of a young man who had an assault charge at age 16 from throwing a punch when 3 others were shoving him around. Bozeman PD hands out assault charges like lollipops, IMO.
I would say yes to gang activity, assault with weapons, B&E and felony theft.
I would like a dollar for every ticked off youth that told a person in authority they were going to harm them. I would not like to fund any agency assigned to follow through on those threats.
 
Back in the day; it was quite common to offer problem kids a choice go to Juve or join the Military.

I truly believe the military helped a lot of kids, it provided structure and taught them one would be held accountable for their actions.

I would like to see this come back.

However, if I understand correctly the military does not want problem kids so it is not done anymore.

We should go to mandatory military service like many other countries for both male and female.

When discharged they could use the GI Bill and go to school with the Gov. paying for it, thus reducing the number of folks with education debt.
 
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yaktamer said:
Military service can be helpful in putting some kids on a better path. But the old "go to jail or the join the Army" deal? As a veteran I oppose turning the military into some kind of reform school.
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I agree 100%. I don't want a bunch of convicts in "My" Army (Which it really isn't any more).

To answer the main question, I would seal your juvenile records when you turn 18 but if you're convicted of a crime as an adult your juvenile record becomes available to police and the courts.
 
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It depends. The kids who make use of the juvenile system and progress should be able to clean up their record. Recidivists? Nope.

I say this as a prosecutor who has spent years working in and around the juvenile system. A sound answer has to be nuanced, not a one size fits none response.
 
After 32 years in law enforcement, much of it dealing with people who had been in trouble, serious trouble, since childhood I came up with a method which was never approved. In my method if little Johnny committed a crime as a juvenile it could be sealed, unless he committed another crime. When that occurred his entire record would be public information and would remain with him for life. First offense was almost always "first apprehension". Not the first time little Johnny did wrong. I cannot tell you the number of times I have seen little Johnny come to his first time as an adult with a "clean record" because his juvenile record was sealed and the sealed record would make a hardened professional criminal blush.
 
martyd said:
Back in the day; it was quite common to offer problem kids a choice go to Juve or join the Military.

I truly believe the military helped a lot of kids, it provided structure and taught them one would be held accountable for their actions.

I would like to see this come back.

However, if I understand correctly the military does not want problem kids so it is not done anymore.

We should go to mandatory military service like many other countries for both male and female.

When discharged they could use the GI Bill and go to school with the Gov. paying for it, thus reducing the number of folks with education debt.
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Take in the problem children? Thank you, no. Every individual is different, but parking the problem children in the military is a recipe for inefficiency, bad morale, and unneeded trouble. Could it help some? Perhaps… but the NJP / Article 15 / admin discharge process is sloooow, and a two-year problem child can wait it out, and get benefits they don’t deserve.

No. Nope.
 
len917 said:
The record at NICS would not be public-just FBI and dealer. Dealer should not know the details though.
I would add, only convicted felonies. Not truancy
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You can’t be convicted of a felony as a juvenile. A juvenile can be certified as an adult, and then convicted of a felony, which becomes a disqualifying record for purposes of NICS . . .
 
Yes if they could "flag" them for further review if they try to buy a gun when they become an adult.

If they have violent conduct or drug offences they should be ineligible to have a gun under current law.
 
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