NCTexan
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I'm just as disgusted with all the comments about what a great role model is was "both on and off the field".
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Steve McNair found shot to death
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red14
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Can you elaborate?
venomballistics
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no forced eatery so this one dont rank high in the laws of probability.
McNairs wife might have had keys though.
I'd also lend credence to the unstable mistress theory presented earlier. But then ... not all the facts are in ... like was the gun found there?
badam0112
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/04/mcnair.shooting/index.html
"Police said they found McNair and a woman identified as Sahel Kazemi shot to death after receiving a phone call about an injured person.
McNair's body was found seated on a living room sofa, authorities said.
Kazemi sustained a gunshot wound to the head, authorities said. Police also said a pistol was found near her body."
"Police said they found McNair and a woman identified as Sahel Kazemi shot to death after receiving a phone call about an injured person.
McNair's body was found seated on a living room sofa, authorities said.
Kazemi sustained a gunshot wound to the head, authorities said. Police also said a pistol was found near her body."
gregintenn
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"Can you elaborate?"
I can. He's had several run ins with the police here in Nashville. He's also shacked up with a 20 year old instead of his wife and four children. Not a role model I want for my children. The lack of morality shown by him and many others lately will surely be the death of this once great country.
However, he stands as one of the all time great quarterbacks on the field.
I can. He's had several run ins with the police here in Nashville. He's also shacked up with a 20 year old instead of his wife and four children. Not a role model I want for my children. The lack of morality shown by him and many others lately will surely be the death of this once great country.
However, he stands as one of the all time great quarterbacks on the field.
gunlovingirl
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I never meant to imply he had great morals. Unfortunately, not many people do today. No matter who they are. As for a role model for anyone's children, I've always believed that the parents should be the role model. Other's can disagree all they want. But to suggest that he "got what he deserved" isn't exactly showing good morals either.
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NCTexan
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gunlovingirl
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Both DUI charges were dropped. He had a permit for the handgun. As for the last incident, I wouldn't exactly call that a "run in with the law". He wasn't driving and was released. Not exactly a criminal record. But you do make my point. Too many people like to play judge, jury, and executioner. Hopefully, when I'm gone, I won't be remembered for my "several run ins with the police" because of my previous speeding tickets.
jframe
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Exactly right, Misty. Same thing applies to Michael Jackson. I was frankly appalled at some of the comments made on this Forum regarding him. If I had been in charge, some of those members who made those comments would have been either suspended or banned for life. It's pretty damn easy to make comments about a dead man who can't defend himself.
gregintenn
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I don't remember suggesting that. If I did, it wasn't intentional.
gunlovingirl
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No, not you. I was talking about some of the comments being made about him on other websites.
Not to make light of Mcnair's immoral behavior, but he also did a lot of charity work.
"More than three hundred underprivileged children and their families enjoyed an exciting and joyous Christmas this year thanks to generous donations from the Steve McNair Foundation and Castle Toyota."
"On Tuesday, November 20, 2007 Steve McNair and his Foundation joined forces with a couple of his Raven teammates--Ray Lewis and Mark Clayton—to provide a happy thanksgiving for those less fortunate."
"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Steve McNair used football as a diversion as long as he could. Now he's turning his attention to helping his family and friends survive Hurricane Katrina. McNair teamed with Green Bay quarterback Brett Favre to fill a tractor-trailer with generators, water and food on Wednesday."
"McNair makes $30,000 donation to hometown Boys & Girls Club."
There's more, but I think my point is made. The Steve McNair Foundation, and Steve himself, has given a lot to many charities and organizations. People are so quick to remember the "bad" about someone. I think the "good" should be given equal time.
NCTexan
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gunluvingirl.... That's just pure BS.
These were 'run ins with the law' as was first questioned. I don't doubt the accuracy of what was written in the newspaper articles that I posted.
I get tired of the idea that "nobody should judge" on a moral issue since nobody is perfect.
I don't judge people because in the end, only God will do that. However, I certainly have a right to judge somebody's actions as being right or wrong.
If you want to say 'anything goes'... then that's fine too.
Finally... How come most of the 'role models' that are put before our young people today, are there just because they can do something 'great' with a ball and may give some of their multi-millions to charity.
How about a few hard working men or women that have worked their way to the top of their business, give to the community, stay out of trouble, and take care of their families?
Sadly, we have become the United States of Entertainment.
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gregintenn
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I also didn't mean to imply that Steve McNair never did any good deeds. I simply meant what I said, that I wouldn't want my children looking up to him as a role model. I'm a McNair fan. I just don't think he's role model material.
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The whole debate about whether or not athletes should be role models is silly.
Whether anyone likes it or not, accepts it or not, they ARE role models by virtue of their status in the culture and the nature of sports. They just turn out to be good role models or miserable ones.
The NFL goes through great pains year in and year out to attempt to make athletes aware of that fact, and to caution them against situations that could destroy their images and/or lives, but apparently a lot of it falls on deaf ears.
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Whether anyone likes it or not, accepts it or not, they ARE role models by virtue of their status in the culture and the nature of sports. They just turn out to be good role models or miserable ones.
The NFL goes through great pains year in and year out to attempt to make athletes aware of that fact, and to caution them against situations that could destroy their images and/or lives, but apparently a lot of it falls on deaf ears.
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windjammer
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McNair was one of the good guys.......Now if you want to know a real role model, look at his ex-team mate......"Pakman Jones".....What a jerk..!!
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I don’t buy the murder/suicide thing. It if was clear-cut, they would have called it that. Instead, they are being nebulous and saying it’s a "homicide" and not ruling out any scenarios. That means it an on-going investigation and they more than likely have some kind of additional evidence.
Anyone else think it was strange in the articles that his friend called another friend before calling 911???
Anyone else think it was strange in the articles that his friend called another friend before calling 911???
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If 'good guy' means that he was a pretty good football player and wasn't as bad as some of the other criminals in the NFL, you may have a point.
As for charitable works, the NFL advises every player to be involved in charitable works. I'm sure each player's tax lawyer recommends the same.
I don't think that living across town with his mistriss (and even sharing a vehicle JOINTLY in both names), makes him a nominee for husband or father of the year with his family.
I guess in the end, whether or not he's a 'good guy' depends on your expectations.
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dennis40x
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Athletes as rule models that’s questionable.
Apparently the individual had a complicated life. Athletes as rule models that’s questionable. If they are rule models it speaks more about society than it speaks of them.
A long --- long time ago I had a high school teammate that went onto college and the NFL. He lost his way and became involved in illicit drugs. In part because he was a so called “Rule Model” the judge showed no mercy. His attitude didn’t help either. Along the way he blamed society for his down fall (I’m a victim) and developed a bigoted demeanor. The NFL to this day I believe still has him give talks to rookies on occasion.
It seems in death that some people take on the status of Sainthood which is not based on reality but rather selective memories.
What’s problematic is being a public figure there is no privacy and if you have a muddy side it’ll soon be exposed. Not all of us are blemish free. Since most of us are not news worthy we live our lives in semi obscurity. We get a free pass with our transgressions.
Apparently the individual had a complicated life. Athletes as rule models that’s questionable. If they are rule models it speaks more about society than it speaks of them.
A long --- long time ago I had a high school teammate that went onto college and the NFL. He lost his way and became involved in illicit drugs. In part because he was a so called “Rule Model” the judge showed no mercy. His attitude didn’t help either. Along the way he blamed society for his down fall (I’m a victim) and developed a bigoted demeanor. The NFL to this day I believe still has him give talks to rookies on occasion.
It seems in death that some people take on the status of Sainthood which is not based on reality but rather selective memories.
What’s problematic is being a public figure there is no privacy and if you have a muddy side it’ll soon be exposed. Not all of us are blemish free. Since most of us are not news worthy we live our lives in semi obscurity. We get a free pass with our transgressions.
