Steve McNair and a woman found shot to death today in Nashville. Report on Fox Sports.

It's been a rough few weeks to be famous.

R.I.P. Steve and friend. Saw the report on them.Here's from channel 5 in Nashville.







http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=10643962

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WALSTIB

He just opened a restaurant here in Nashville a couple weeks ago. RIP Steve. Nashville will miss you.

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Misty

'Ol death seem to have a vendetta again the famous the past couple weeks,I'd not want to be them that's for sure!

IIRC, he had a wife and 4 sons...that sucks....
My condolences to the family.

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lets look at this,,,ex football player, from the picture, i never heard of him, and in a condo, probably had money, with a woman that is not his wife,,,,ya think drugs might be involved

Ex NFL player + condo + money + girlfriend = drugs? It happens, but I think it would be out of character for McNair. I have my own idea, but I'll let the police figure out what really happened.

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Misty

Please share your opinion when feeling comfortable about doing so Misty!

Easy solve for the police, look for the dead womans husband/boyfriend.

And AGAIN, I will make no comments until ALL the facts are in. I know this much. He was born and raised and played high school football just up the road from here in Mt. Olive,Miss. He parcipitated in numerous football camps in this area and has a son who plays for a team in this area. I don't know what happened in Nashville because I'm not there. I don't know or care what his marital status is. What I do know is that he is considered a role model around here and I hope nothing changes that.

Ain't looking good for his role model status.

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Barry, youngest son of Claud

I think it is a murder/suicide. McNair was shot mulitple times, girlfriend once with gun found near her.

What a sad end. I'll always remember him almost winning the Super Bowl a few years ago.

I had thought murder/suicide. And the morning paper seems to confirm it. The police haven't actually called it that. At least not that I know of. The young girl friend, I think she was 20, was pretty messed up, emotionally. I doubt that all the facts will ever be known, but I believe Steve may have been trying to break things off with her, to remain with his wife. But, like I said, all the facts will never be known. So sad, for both the families.

I'd also like to add, I am very disgusted with some of the comments made about Steve on some of the internet sites today. His personal life and marriage were just that. Personal. And to suggest that he somehow deserved what happened is ridiculous. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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Misty

Ding, Ding, Diing!! We have a winner! Exactly what I was thinking also. His wife might be the one also but if I were in charge of the investagation I'd not find a thing that would connect his wife to this. You play with fire, ya get burned!!

Smitty

I agree that's what it sounds like.

He's shot multiple times, woman only once and the gun is near the woman.


The media used to report something like this as an 'apparent suicide', but this time, for some reason, everyone seems to be dancing around it.


Maybe past litigation, or threats of it, have caused the media to change behavior.
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If the girl friend's husband or boy friend did it, SHE'D be the one shot multiple times.


My money is on the scenario in which he's breaking up with her and she's not buying it.
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Another "celebrity", another distraction.

I'm just as disgusted with all the comments about what a great role model is was "both on and off the field".

Can you elaborate?

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no forced eatery so this one dont rank high in the laws of probability.
McNairs wife might have had keys though.
I'd also lend credence to the unstable mistress theory presented earlier. But then ... not all the facts are in ... like was the gun found there?

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/04/...ing/index.html

"Police said they found McNair and a woman identified as Sahel Kazemi shot to death after receiving a phone call about an injured person.

McNair's body was found seated on a living room sofa, authorities said.

Kazemi sustained a gunshot wound to the head, authorities said. Police also said a pistol was found near her body."

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"Can you elaborate?"


I can. He's had several run ins with the police here in Nashville. He's also shacked up with a 20 year old instead of his wife and four children. Not a role model I want for my children. The lack of morality shown by him and many others lately will surely be the death of this once great country.
However, he stands as one of the all time great quarterbacks on the field.

I never meant to imply he had great morals. Unfortunately, not many people do today. No matter who they are. As for a role model for anyone's children, I've always believed that the parents should be the role model. Other's can disagree all they want. But to suggest that he "got what he deserved" isn't exactly showing good morals either.

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Misty

i'm curious....what documented "run ins"did he have with the police?

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KK4EMO

Google can be your friend... just a quick search yields.

NTTimesMay23

Both DUI charges were dropped. He had a permit for the handgun. As for the last incident, I wouldn't exactly call that a "run in with the law". He wasn't driving and was released. Not exactly a criminal record. But you do make my point. Too many people like to play judge, jury, and executioner. Hopefully, when I'm gone, I won't be remembered for my "several run ins with the police" because of my previous speeding tickets.

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Misty

Exactly right, Misty. Same thing applies to Michael Jackson. I was frankly appalled at some of the comments made on this Forum regarding him. If I had been in charge, some of those members who made those comments would have been either suspended or banned for life. It's pretty damn easy to make comments about a dead man who can't defend himself.

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I don't remember suggesting that. If I did, it wasn't intentional.

No, not you. I was talking about some of the comments being made about him on other websites.

Not to make light of Mcnair's immoral behavior, but he also did a lot of charity work.

"More than three hundred underprivileged children and their families enjoyed an exciting and joyous Christmas this year thanks to generous donations from the Steve McNair Foundation and Castle Toyota."

"On Tuesday, November 20, 2007 Steve McNair and his Foundation joined forces with a couple of his Raven teammates--Ray Lewis and Mark Clayton—to provide a happy thanksgiving for those less fortunate."

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Steve McNair used football as a diversion as long as he could. Now he's turning his attention to helping his family and friends survive Hurricane Katrina. McNair teamed with Green Bay quarterback Brett Favre to fill a tractor-trailer with generators, water and food on Wednesday."

"McNair makes $30,000 donation to hometown Boys & Girls Club."

There's more, but I think my point is made. The Steve McNair Foundation, and Steve himself, has given a lot to many charities and organizations. People are so quick to remember the "bad" about someone. I think the "good" should be given equal time.

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Misty

gunluvingirl.... That's just pure BS.

These were 'run ins with the law' as was first questioned. I don't doubt the accuracy of what was written in the newspaper articles that I posted.

I get tired of the idea that "nobody should judge" on a moral issue since nobody is perfect.

I don't judge people because in the end, only God will do that. However, I certainly have a right to judge somebody's actions as being right or wrong.

If you want to say 'anything goes'... then that's fine too.

Finally... How come most of the 'role models' that are put before our young people today, are there just because they can do something 'great' with a ball and may give some of their multi-millions to charity.

How about a few hard working men or women that have worked their way to the top of their business, give to the community, stay out of trouble, and take care of their families?

Sadly, we have become the United States of Entertainment.

I also didn't mean to imply that Steve McNair never did any good deeds. I simply meant what I said, that I wouldn't want my children looking up to him as a role model. I'm a McNair fan. I just don't think he's role model material.

The whole debate about whether or not athletes should be role models is silly.

Whether anyone likes it or not, accepts it or not, they ARE role models by virtue of their status in the culture and the nature of sports. They just turn out to be good role models or miserable ones.


The NFL goes through great pains year in and year out to attempt to make athletes aware of that fact, and to caution them against situations that could destroy their images and/or lives, but apparently a lot of it falls on deaf ears.
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McNair was one of the good guys.......Now if you want to know a real role model, look at his ex-team mate......"Pakman Jones".....What a jerk..!!

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I don’t buy the murder/suicide thing. It if was clear-cut, they would have called it that. Instead, they are being nebulous and saying it’s a "homicide" and not ruling out any scenarios. That means it an on-going investigation and they more than likely have some kind of additional evidence.

Anyone else think it was strange in the articles that his friend called another friend before calling 911???

If 'good guy' means that he was a pretty good football player and wasn't as bad as some of the other criminals in the NFL, you may have a point.

As for charitable works, the NFL advises every player to be involved in charitable works. I'm sure each player's tax lawyer recommends the same.

I don't think that living across town with his mistriss (and even sharing a vehicle JOINTLY in both names), makes him a nominee for husband or father of the year with his family.


I guess in the end, whether or not he's a 'good guy' depends on your expectations.
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Apparently the individual had a complicated life. Athletes as rule models that’s questionable. If they are rule models it speaks more about society than it speaks of them.

A long --- long time ago I had a high school teammate that went onto college and the NFL. He lost his way and became involved in illicit drugs. In part because he was a so called “Rule Model” the judge showed no mercy. His attitude didn’t help either. Along the way he blamed society for his down fall (I’m a victim) and developed a bigoted demeanor. The NFL to this day I believe still has him give talks to rookies on occasion.

It seems in death that some people take on the status of Sainthood which is not based on reality but rather selective memories.

What’s problematic is being a public figure there is no privacy and if you have a muddy side it’ll soon be exposed. Not all of us are blemish free. Since most of us are not news worthy we live our lives in semi obscurity. We get a free pass with our transgressions.

I heard or read a report (don't remember where) that the weapon was found under her. I think that the odds are with Misty's observation.

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Tam 3

I read an article in the local paper interviewing the girl's sister.

She states;
She loved him, he was going to leave his wife, and they would get married.

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It's a rerun of the the tried and true love triangle theme.

Brian~

Something tells me he 'changed his mind'!

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if he did, something tells me she changed his mind a second time ..... to tapioca

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I guess a new Escalade was not enough for her.

That old "line" of "I'm gonna divorce her and marry you," is an old one . . . coming further down the line from the classic, "I just want to hold yer hand, darlin.'

In the end, he was killed for using the wrong head . . . yet one more time. Ultimately, that's what he'll be remembered for.

none of which were convictions

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KK4EMO

I can't believe the cajones on this guy...

...buying an Escalade for his mistress and putting it in both their names
...being freely photographed with her on vacation
...shacking up with her in a condo he 'shared with a friend'
(doesn't everyone share a condo in case they need to 'get away from the fam' every now and then?)

Either his wife knew and they had an arrangement, or she (the wife) clearly wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, and McNair wasn't real worried she'd find out about his 'friend'.

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