Visited Chicago on vacation and saw a police revolver.

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cmort666 said:
Do you believe that the OP was being untruthful?

If so, on what do you base that belief?
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I'll chime in on that...I believe SP had an agenda in mind before he typed the first word.

Pretty obvious to me...he wanted to bash Chicago cops, and therefore Chicago in general.

He initiated it...we don't know how he approached the cop or what exactly he said.

But the agenda was obvious...
 
cmort666 said:
For those who say "that's how big city cops are", if that's even true (I've never lived in another city as big as Chicago, so I can't say), what does that say about those cities and those cops, and is it really a GOOD thing?
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I know dozens of "big city cops" and that's not "how they are". Whoever thinks that is a fool, the vast majority of the "big city cops" I know are "regular guys"(as someone mentioned before, insinuating cops were not "regular guys"). That's a joke, get over it.
 
G-Mac said:
I'll chime in on that...I believe SP had an agenda in mind before he typed the first word.

Pretty obvious to me...he wanted to bash Chicago cops, and therefore Chicago in general.

He initiated it...we don't know how he approached the cop or what exactly he said.

But the agenda was obvious...
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Ahh, you're just another one of those NYer type sticking up for Chicago. LOL.
 
ladder13 said:
I know dozens of "big city cops" and that's not "how they are". Whoever thinks that is a fool, the vast majority of the "big city cops" I know are "regular guys"(as someone mentioned before, insinuating cops were not "regular guys"). That's a joke, get over it.
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Well, it wasn't me who said it. It was actually somebody DEFENDING him who said it. He actually seemed to think he was "helping". He was just throwing the good cops under the bus in order to defend the indefensible. But then a lot of other problematic "thoughts" emanated from that corner as well.
 
G-Mac said:
I'll chime in on that...I believe SP had an agenda in mind before he typed the first word.

Pretty obvious to me...he wanted to bash Chicago cops, and therefore Chicago in general.

He initiated it...we don't know how he approached the cop or what exactly he said.

But the agenda was obvious...
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But do you believe that what he said was UNTRUE?

If NOT, then the cop in question "bashed" HIMSELF.

If what was described actually happened, do you instead believe that the OP should have PRAISED the cop for publicly demeaning him?
 
cmort666 said:
But do you believe that what he said was UNTRUE?

If NOT, then the cop in question "bashed" HIMSELF.

If what was described actually happened, do you instead believe that the OP should have PRAISED the cop for publicly demeaning him?
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Can we be reasonable? Do you know EXACTLY what was said? How was the officer approached? Who else was around? And on and on. You weren't there. We only heard PART of one side of the story.
 
WOW !!

So according to your thinking I should hate all people of a certain race because one of them refered to me with a racist remark? After all why would I want to give any of the others of that race a chance if one of them already figuratively spit in my face, or my food? All people of one race think the same right? All blacks think the same as Peace Stones, whites KKK and latino's the Kings's? Same as all CPD think the same of the citizens? Citizens who lawfully own guns? Give me a break, I'm a bigger person than that and have a broader mind than to sterio type any group of people by the actions of one.

IMO it was a dumb way to try and start a conversation with a LEO. Next time just walk up to a LEO and say he's got an ugly wife, he'd probably laugh and agree.


OP, the LEO was either having a bad day or he's a pr*ck, either way I can say for a fact that their not all like that in Chicago.

I'm done.

Kirmdog
 
In 1976, myself and a couple of my "urban environment"(whatever that's supposed to mean) friends drove to Hollywood, Fl. Things were fine and dandy until we reached the Fl border, whereupon my friend got the first of 3 speeding tickets while in Florida. All 3 were for less than 10 miles above the speed limit. Did we moan and groan and say we hate cops? No, we enjoyed our time down there, and drove home.
 
ladder13 said:
Can we be reasonable? Do you know EXACTLY what was said? How was the officer approached? Who else was around? And on and on. You weren't there. We only heard PART of one side of the story.
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You didn't answer the question.

Do you believe that the OP was being untruthful, and if so, based on what evidence?
 
Kirmdog said:
WOW !!

So according to your thinking I should hate all people of a certain race because one of them refered to me with a racist remark?
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Leaving aside the fact that that's PRECISELY where another poster in this thread was headed, people don't choose their race (Michael Jackson excepted). They DO choose career paths, and geographic locations for those career paths.

And let us not forget that one of this particular cop's DEFENDERS portrayed this as normal behavior for people in that career path, in that geographical location. Was that person being untruthful?
 
ladder13 said:
In 1976, myself and a couple of my "urban environment"(whatever that's supposed to mean) friends drove to Hollywood, Fl. Things were fine and dandy until we reached the Fl border, whereupon my friend got the first of 3 speeding tickets while in Florida. All 3 were for less than 10 miles above the speed limit. Did we moan and groan and say we hate cops? No, we enjoyed our time down there, and drove home.
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So, help me understand... you were speeding and are surprised and unhappy that you got speeding tickets? Or are you saying you weren't actually speeding?

Tell me, how far over the speed limit was the OP going when this conversation with the cop took place?

Perhaps I missed a post here or there, but I don't recall seeing anybody say that they "hate cops". I do recall several people saying that a particular cop was an exemplary ambassador of BAD will for the City of Chicago and the Chicago PD, and that he bolstered a particular view of the Chicago PD and its pattern of interactions with the non-criminal public.

Why don't you come out and specify what "urban environment" means? Were they from Shanghai? Dusseldorf? Izhevsk? Another poster thought race and ethnicity HIGHLY relevant to a discussion of a [presumably] White poster's interaction with a [presumably] White Chicago cop with whom he was trying to be FRIENDLY AND POLITE. In my experience that sort of "context" is so frequently resorted to by defenders of this sort of behavior in that locale, that I'm truly astonished when it DOESN'T happen. But as I've said before, EVERYTHING is about race and ethnicity in Chicago, even the weather (or at least snow removal).
 
Its a matter of expectations. If you expect any cop, big city or otherwise, to be friendly to you if you walk up to him on the street and ask him about his gun, then you will probably be in for an unpleasant surprise.

I'm not in uniform, but on occasion people who know what I do will ask me about what gun I carry. I've posted pictures of my carry guns here. In this setting, or with someone with whom I've had some kind of conversation, its no big deal. But if you walk up to me as a total stranger while I'm eating breakfast with my jacket off and ask me what kind of gun I'm carrying I'm going to blow you off. Sorry. Its creepy.

In one of Joseph Wambaugh's early books, either The New Centurions or The Blue Knight, a veteran cop tells a new guy his rule in dealing with the public - "Civil to all, courteous to none." This was about 40 years ago, and things haven't gotten any friendlier since.

I don't know SaxonPig, but from his many postings here he seems like a great guy. I would love to sit down with him and talk guns way into the night, and I'm sure I would learn a hell of a lot more from him than he would from me. But under the circumstances he outlined in the original post I'd probably respond in much the same way the Chicago copper did.
 
sigp220.45 said:
Its a matter of expectations. If you expect any cop, big city or otherwise, to be friendly to you if you walk up to him on the street and ask him about his gun, then you will probably be in for an unpleasant surprise.
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In Chicago, I would have expected to happen what happened, whether the subject was hockey or Japanese woodblock prints.

The problem was not that the cop in question told the OP, "I'd rather not discuss my firearm with you." (which apparently he didn't) It was that he treated the OP with rudeness and contempt. That is PRECISELY what I would have expected, regardless of the subject. That's why I never would have attempted to engage him in any way, on ANY subject. That's just the voice of observation and experience.
 
Amazing.

I'd like to hang around and engage in this potentially life-altering discussion, but the dishwasher is running, and I enjoy sitting beside it. Kinda like the breakers on the beach..........:rolleyes:
 
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